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The Events Last Night May Be a "Worst Case" Scenario for Race-Protesting
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:45 am
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:45 am
this whole situation is just really bad all around, from the death of an 18-year old man and the display of full militarization of police, to the politics and sociology of desperation and emotional-irrational thinking.
but this is not the case to attempt to make a statement. i'm going to describe some factors here that kind of build on each other
The Victim
the best thing that we can say about the dead victim is that he was unarmed and a human being, which is a very sad statement. this is just not the example that can rally support to make a legitimate point. i'm not saying mike brown deserved to die or anything extreme like that, but he is an example of the bankrupt culture of many areas of black america.
he has a criminal history and committed a felony just prior to the terrible tragedy that sparked all of this shite. i'm not happy that he's dead and i'm not trying to tarnish a dead person, but his actions before death did happen. his life choices prior to his death occurred. we can't ignore all of that when looking at this situation (especially comparing it to other incidents with those of the similar bankrupt culture). it's very difficult to separate the 2 concepts
The Incident
Simply put, this is an incident of violence leading to more violence. the objective evidence proves this (especially the evidence inside of the car). this is not the situation to make a statement about innocent black males being prosecuted and persecuted by a system of racism. at the least brown physically engaged with wilson and at worst he instigated the entire situation. this is an example of a violence creating violence, and if there is a discussion, it's why michael brown was violent (and as stated above, why those of his culture act in the same manner).
The Emotions
This entire situation shows that many people (on both sides) are wholly incapable of having a discussion about race. people (on both sides) created a narrative early on and are using confirmation bias to justify that belief. go look at the clips of brown's family trying to incite riots last night. go look at all of the impossible witness statements initially made to the media to enflame this situation. go look at all the ultimate trash racism being displayed on social media during this whole thing (and i don't mean "tPOS" jokes. i mean legit racism)
if we can't analyze things more objectively and stoically, then we can't, as a group of people, talk about these issues.
The Police (and the War on Drugs)
The police and the policies fueling the police play a large role in the overall picture here, and this was on full display during this whole situation (not as much last night, but during the initial outbursts). The WOD has played as much of a part in the destruction of the inner city black community as the bankrupt culture that permeates the populations. This fuels the disproportionate policing in inner cities, which fuels the systematic issues for inner city black populations (especially young black males). This leads to a larger police response, which leads to armored personnel vehicles policing the streets of Ferguson.
The Riots-Looting
This is just the ultimate "frick you" to even an emotional discussion about race. the absolute pieces of shite who are rioting and looting are not only combining the issues with the victim and emotions (showing the very worst doing the very worst), but they are legitimately fricking up their own community that they claim is in disrepair AND the protests trying to make a statement about the racial issues. these savages are hiding in the crowds of legitimate protesters, waiting for night to show the utter worst in humanity.
these actions make the protests lose any value they may have had, create confirmation bias for the emotional, opposing viewpoint, but they also create a legitimate need for the militarized police. the riot and looting are the culmination of all of these issues and anyone who tries to defend these actions are intellectually bankrupt.
but this is not the case to attempt to make a statement. i'm going to describe some factors here that kind of build on each other
The Victim
the best thing that we can say about the dead victim is that he was unarmed and a human being, which is a very sad statement. this is just not the example that can rally support to make a legitimate point. i'm not saying mike brown deserved to die or anything extreme like that, but he is an example of the bankrupt culture of many areas of black america.
he has a criminal history and committed a felony just prior to the terrible tragedy that sparked all of this shite. i'm not happy that he's dead and i'm not trying to tarnish a dead person, but his actions before death did happen. his life choices prior to his death occurred. we can't ignore all of that when looking at this situation (especially comparing it to other incidents with those of the similar bankrupt culture). it's very difficult to separate the 2 concepts
The Incident
Simply put, this is an incident of violence leading to more violence. the objective evidence proves this (especially the evidence inside of the car). this is not the situation to make a statement about innocent black males being prosecuted and persecuted by a system of racism. at the least brown physically engaged with wilson and at worst he instigated the entire situation. this is an example of a violence creating violence, and if there is a discussion, it's why michael brown was violent (and as stated above, why those of his culture act in the same manner).
The Emotions
This entire situation shows that many people (on both sides) are wholly incapable of having a discussion about race. people (on both sides) created a narrative early on and are using confirmation bias to justify that belief. go look at the clips of brown's family trying to incite riots last night. go look at all of the impossible witness statements initially made to the media to enflame this situation. go look at all the ultimate trash racism being displayed on social media during this whole thing (and i don't mean "tPOS" jokes. i mean legit racism)
if we can't analyze things more objectively and stoically, then we can't, as a group of people, talk about these issues.
The Police (and the War on Drugs)
The police and the policies fueling the police play a large role in the overall picture here, and this was on full display during this whole situation (not as much last night, but during the initial outbursts). The WOD has played as much of a part in the destruction of the inner city black community as the bankrupt culture that permeates the populations. This fuels the disproportionate policing in inner cities, which fuels the systematic issues for inner city black populations (especially young black males). This leads to a larger police response, which leads to armored personnel vehicles policing the streets of Ferguson.
The Riots-Looting
This is just the ultimate "frick you" to even an emotional discussion about race. the absolute pieces of shite who are rioting and looting are not only combining the issues with the victim and emotions (showing the very worst doing the very worst), but they are legitimately fricking up their own community that they claim is in disrepair AND the protests trying to make a statement about the racial issues. these savages are hiding in the crowds of legitimate protesters, waiting for night to show the utter worst in humanity.
these actions make the protests lose any value they may have had, create confirmation bias for the emotional, opposing viewpoint, but they also create a legitimate need for the militarized police. the riot and looting are the culmination of all of these issues and anyone who tries to defend these actions are intellectually bankrupt.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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This fuels the disproportionate policing in inner cities,
so what you're saying is "aint no drugs, aint no thugs" and if there "aint no thugs, aint no police"?
I don't disagree that the WoD is no a solution for the most part, but son, your ability to tie causality to outcomes is pretty limited. You need to go back to the drawing board.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
Last night is the prime example of emotions over rationality.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:59 am to Jagd Tiger
quote:
so what you're saying is "aint no drugs, aint no thugs" and if there "aint no thugs, aint no police"?
i'm not sure what you're saying
i'm saying the black market created by the WOD leads to violence. due to the drug markets and close proximately of living in inner cities, the violence is much more frequent and condensed. this means a larger police presence in this area, with a more likely violent population being policed, leads to increased clashes.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
I agree almost 100% with what you wrote. Thank you for articulating it so well.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
It was a "worst case scenario" for "protesters".
If it was one for the cops, they'd have been cleaning these idiots off the sidewalk with a sponge.
If it was one for the cops, they'd have been cleaning these idiots off the sidewalk with a sponge.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:04 am to Jagd Tiger
quote:
I don't disagree that the WoD is no a solution for the most part, but son, your ability to tie causality to outcomes is pretty limited. You need to go back to the drawing board.
When Reagan declared the War on Drugs, drug use was actually on the decline. Many "states rights" conservatives objected forcefully to the over-reaching new federal legislation at the time. Many local police forces did not understand or want to be involved...then DC started pouring in the cash bribes. Fast forward 20 years and you have a militarized police force and an almost entirely imprisoned class. Hard to ignore something that never even had to happen.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:07 am to Big Scrub TX
Little nugget of history... Know who was the big proponent on stringent drug laws with regards to crack? Speaker Tip O'Neill (D) of Massachusetts thanks to Len Bias' heart exploding before he played for the Celtics.
The heightened penalties for crack vs powdered coke have been pointed to as a massive reason for the out of whack racial sentencing for drug possession.
The heightened penalties for crack vs powdered coke have been pointed to as a massive reason for the out of whack racial sentencing for drug possession.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:11 am to teke184
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Little nugget of history... Know who was the big proponent on stringent drug laws with regards to crack? Speaker Tip O'Neill (D) of Massachusetts thanks to Len Bias' heart exploding before he played for the Celtics.
Yes, Congress eagerly signed off on the Drug War.
quote:
The heightened penalties for crack vs powdered coke have been pointed to as a massive reason for the out of whack racial sentencing for drug possession.
Correct. And it wasn't on accident. I would say that was the single most relevant antecedent to what we are seeing today...unnecessary laws creating an imprisoned underclass.
BTW, basically every single thing they "taught" the population about crack was propaganda. I'm talking about the "just one hint of one hit of crack and you are instantly addicted...FOR LIFE" type of crap.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:15 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
BTW, basically every single thing they "taught" the population about crack was propaganda. I'm talking about the "just one hint of one hit of crack and you are instantly addicted...FOR LIFE" type of crap.
i think this kind of emotional-irrational reaction kind of decreases the change that this was some evil, rational plot
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
i think this kind of emotional-irrational reaction kind of decreases the change that this was some evil, rational plot
Why? The people pushing the propaganda usually know that it's merely propaganda. I mean, I'm sure it took on a life of its own pretty quickly.
SFP, would you do me a favor and read this book?
LINK
You can even just ignore the parts that are overtly about race and focus on the middle section about the drug war and the attendant Supreme Court cases which the author argues vastly enabled it. I am honestly interested in your opinion of it...particularly the legal side.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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The WOD has played as much of a part in the destruction of the inner city black community as the bankrupt culture that permeates the populations.
Very very true. The WOD is an absolute travesty that has done and is doing a staggering amount of damage to our country. It is hard to even begin to quantify all the harm it has caused to our country.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:20 am to LosLobos111
quote:Last night was a prime example of the elite using race to keep the sheople divided.
Last night is the prime example of emotions over rationality.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:38 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:As it was intended to.
It is hard to even begin to quantify all the harm it has caused to our country.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:45 am to TX Tiger
please don't pollute my thread with your irrationality and personality disorders
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:48 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
t the drug war and the attendant Supreme Court cases which the author argues vastly enabled it
this is the scariest part about the WOD, actually
inner city black males can stop killing themselves one day hopefully, but the caselaw that has destroyed the 4th Amendment will remain
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Oh, that's right, I keep forgetting that politicians are honest and that government has nothing but the best intentions, and that habitual criminals don't commit crimes.
please don't pollute my thread with your irrationality and personality disorders
Why can't I remember this?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
I told myself I wouldn't post on the poli board again, but I had to for this. You hit the nail on the head with this one bojack, and this is coming from a guy that disagrees with almost everything you post.
One of the grossest things I've seen as a result of this whole incident is people trying to use the results of the investigation and the rioting/looting to reinforce their racist beliefs. I've seen this all over this board/the OT/social media and it's really disappointing.
One of the grossest things I've seen as a result of this whole incident is people trying to use the results of the investigation and the rioting/looting to reinforce their racist beliefs. I've seen this all over this board/the OT/social media and it's really disappointing.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:56 am to weedGOKU666
quote:
One of the grossest things I've seen as a result of this whole incident is people trying to use the results of the investigation and the rioting/looting to reinforce their racist beliefs
this knife cuts both ways
this situation has reinforced the emotional-irrational beliefs of particular examples of white racism or systematic racism that simply does not exist (and aren't being displayed right now)
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