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re: Jarvis, OBJ, JHill, Mett, AND James Wright >>> (who??)
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:57 am to pellietigersaint
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:57 am to pellietigersaint
quote:your last post:
shut up. You have zero reading comprehension skills. I wasn't complaining about the offense last year.
quote:Is that not a complaint?
it could have been prolific
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:57 am to pellietigersaint
The problem that I finally realize, is that although we were super explosive last year, we could have been even better. We have to do away with the 80% under center crap. We have to incorporate a base of 3 WRs. We have to put some kind of deception into our run game. This is the same guy who ran wildcat most of the year in his one year as an NFL HC. We are one of the only teams that pretty much smash right into the line (left or right of center) over and over and over again with 8 and 9 men in the box. This is a problem that falls squarely on both Miles and Cam. They tell our players to basically go above and beyond for just basic offensive production. People can say what they want, but a dual threat and pocket passer can operate from the same system.
Arizona St 2014
Taylor Kelly - 8 games started, 222 atts 1730 pass yards 18 TDs, 234 rush yards 3 TDs
Mike Bercovici - 3 games started, 144 atts 1223 pass yards 9 TDs, 18 rush yards
Notre Dame
Tommy Rees 2013 - 414 atts 3257 pass yards 27 TDs, -56 rush yards
Everett Golson 2014 - 398 atts 3280 pass yards 29 TDs, 298 rush yards 8 TDs
There are others that I used at the beginning of the season, but I'm not going through all of that.
Another thing is why has Cam become so conservative? I know he wants to protect his QB, but you are doing much more harm than good when you don't let them loose. What happened to his heavy utilization of the TE in his offense? What about how he made the RB pretty much another WR? We were doing pretty well with that against UF, UK, and Ole Miss. I remember earlier on when Fournette had 5 catches in four games. He's had 2 in the past 6 and they were against one team.
Arizona St 2014
Taylor Kelly - 8 games started, 222 atts 1730 pass yards 18 TDs, 234 rush yards 3 TDs
Mike Bercovici - 3 games started, 144 atts 1223 pass yards 9 TDs, 18 rush yards
Notre Dame
Tommy Rees 2013 - 414 atts 3257 pass yards 27 TDs, -56 rush yards
Everett Golson 2014 - 398 atts 3280 pass yards 29 TDs, 298 rush yards 8 TDs
There are others that I used at the beginning of the season, but I'm not going through all of that.
Another thing is why has Cam become so conservative? I know he wants to protect his QB, but you are doing much more harm than good when you don't let them loose. What happened to his heavy utilization of the TE in his offense? What about how he made the RB pretty much another WR? We were doing pretty well with that against UF, UK, and Ole Miss. I remember earlier on when Fournette had 5 catches in four games. He's had 2 in the past 6 and they were against one team.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:00 am to TigerBait1127
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Well they drafted him for his special teams ability, which he showed at LSU. He was literally drafted for the role he played at LSU. He's a Courtney Roby type player.
keep arguing the point. he is a good receiver. you have to be able to play YOUR position when called upon. Just like Roby
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We ran a lot of 3-4 WR sets last season. We ran a lot of plays out of the Shotgun...
We ran some but most of the time we had a FB and TE on the field
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We averaged 10.4 yards per pass attempt...3rd best in CFB. Someone should tell the Saints to cut one of their 2 fullbacks
Didnt say it wasnt successful
And why are you talking about the saints. I'm a saints fan too, but take that shite to saints talk
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I think it was pretty clear how good Landry and Beckham were after the TCU game.
again, a regurgitation of my point. NFL wide receivers usually ease their way into being dominating. These cats (Jarvis/OBJ) are a cut above. Dont tell me you expected their level of success this early on in their NFL career. If you did, you are telling a lie
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:01 am to Datbayoubengal
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Another thing is why has Cam become so conservative?
when you have a good QB that you can trust you can be less conservative. example....Mett, Flynn, Russell. this isn't that difficult to understand.
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but you are doing much more harm than good when you don't let them loose.
false....see Lee 2008
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 9:02 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:01 am to pellietigersaint
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yes, there are 3 phases to the game. Special teams was really good (see OBJ against ole piss).
See the dropped punt vs. UGA. We had problems punting last season, more with consistency
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I wasn't complaining about the offense last year.
And then you follow that up with this:
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that both did not reach potential.
How is that not complaining?
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James Wright doesn't catch one freakin' ball last year...........not one.
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Well, he didn't get on the field much because JC Copeland and (insert random TE) were always on the field.
The whole post is a complaint
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:02 am to pellietigersaint
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Dont tell me you expected their level of success this early on in their NFL career.
I did because of the type of production and ball skills they showed while developing in college at LSU.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:02 am to Datbayoubengal
quote:Did this in 2013 against Georgia, and still lost. OBJ is tearing it up with the Giants, but look at their sorry defense. Same goes for Mett in Tennessee. If offense is all that matters, Oregon would be 3 time defending champs.
The problem that I finally realize, is that although we were super explosive last year, we could have been even better. We have to do away with the 80% under center crap. We have to incorporate a base of 3 WRs.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:05 am to ell_13
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your last post:
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it could have been prolific
Is that not a complaint?
no, its not a complaint
Its an observation and discussion topic. Why cant some of you differentiate between the two? I never once complained about last years offense. I just said there was NFL talent on the roster that wasn't maximized (Wright).
Go start another baseball thread.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:05 am to pellietigersaint
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did not reach potential.
So a 3000 yard passer, 2 - 1000 yard receivers and a thousand yard back is evidence of not reaching potential?
Not to mention the most efficient team at extending drives on third down.
Its all about ball control. LSU was great at that last year.
You don't see LSU putting up 1000 yards per game because they don't run the HUNH
Not sure why this is hard for LSU fans to grasp.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:06 am to Choctaw
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false....see Lee 2008
Lee was extremely terrible. Have you seen a redshirt freshman that bad on a team since? Also the defense was pretty bad which meant we had to throw the ball a lot.
16 ints in 8 games with 7 pic 6s? That is an anomaly. If that is holding them back, then they need their arse whooped.
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when you have a good QB that you can trust you can be less conservative. example....Mett. this isn't that difficult to understand.
We are beyond the point of just conservative. Also answer me this, how many coaches would trot Jennings out there again and again and again without even attempting to try the other guy? At Arkansas was the first time Jennings had completed more than 50% of his passes since September 13th. He has a TOTAL, of 4 TDs in the last 9 games, FOUR!!! How in the hell does this not justify letting the other guy see what he can do?
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 9:18 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:07 am to pellietigersaint
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I just said there was NFL talent on the roster that wasn't maximized (Wright).
You realize there is just one ball on the field, correct?
They "maximize" another player last year, chances are the production of the other skill players will drop.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:07 am to TigerBait1127
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Well, he didn't get on the field much because JC Copeland and (insert random TE) were always on the field.
The whole post is a complaint
These are my observations. If nobody ever posted points for discussion, this forum would not exist. wash the sand out of your vag
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:08 am to pellietigersaint
quote:That, by definition, is a complaint. It's a critique. An issue you have. Maybe this will help
I just said there was NFL talent on the roster that wasn't maximized
quote:Why do you do this? I'm in this thread talking about football. If I were to reciprocate this, I would tell you to go be a bitch on another message board... but I'm not a bitch like you, so I'll refrain.
Go start another baseball thread.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:09 am to pellietigersaint
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keep arguing the point. he is a good receiver.
He was drafted because of his ability to be an immediate contributor on special teams.
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YOUR position when called upon.
I never said otherwise. That isn't his main role in Cincy though. The added value of being a special teams beast, which he showcased at LSU, is what got him drafted. Playing in a run oriented pro style offense helps players like him get drafted
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Didnt say it wasnt successful
No, but you did bring up explosiveness. We were extremely explosive behind only Baylor and FSU despite playing a much tougher schedule.
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And why are you talking about the saints. I'm a saints fan too, but take that shite to saints talk
I was drawing a comparison to one of the best offensive systems run at any level. It was a comparison. Come on, you're intelligent enough to realize why I put it there unless you're intentionally trying to be a prick.
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Dont tell me you expected their level of success this early on in their NFL career. If you did, you are telling a lie
I actually said the Beckham could be an immediate star who had the potential to be an elite, superstar WR.
I also said that Landry was near his ceiling already and was extremely polished. Both guys stood out last year for their superior route running compared to everyone else in CFB. Cameron is a big reason for that
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 9:13 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:12 am to pellietigersaint
Don't forget Alfred Blue who rushed for 156 two weeks ago for the Texans and Trai Turner started 8 games at guard for Panthers.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:14 am to pellietigersaint
quote:The D had some critical frickups, but most of us have been unfair in labeling them "bad." I did so myself earlier this year.
The D was admirable after the UGA game.
Fact is, we were 21ST in scoring D and 15TH in total D.
By comparison, Auburn was 48th in scoring D and 86TH in total D . Seemed to be enough for a conference title, so I'm not sure why we're scapegoating a defensive unit that was in the top quintile in the country.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 9:17 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:14 am to BeeFense5
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You realize there is just one ball on the field, correct?
They "maximize" another player last year, chances are the production of the other skill players will drop.
# of receptions by player 2013
15 balls were caught by other receivers last year over the course of the entire season. Wright zero
I'm just saying they should have used the guy........take some pressure off of Jarvis/OBJ
they were both bracketed much of last season. they could have had more opportunities in space if we had another passing THREAT. Should-coulda-woulda
never mind...... some of you either dont get my point, or want to argue, or both
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:15 am to pellietigersaint
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These are my observations. If nobody ever posted points for discussion, this forum would not exist. wash the sand out of your vag
Says the one crying over the definition of the word complaint vs observation
Which you clearly don't understand
Either way, I've backed up my stance with statistics. You "observed" that we should have been explosive. We were one of the more explosive teams in CFB.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 9:17 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:16 am to pellietigersaint
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Last years offense was really explosive. But take a closer look at the talent. Was the on field product as productive and prolific as it could have been?
Yet we still lost 3 games.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:16 am to Navytiger74
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The D had some critical frickups, but most of us have been unfair in labeling them "bad." I did so myself earlier this year.
Fact is, we were 21ST in scoring D and 15TH in total D.
By comparison, Auburn was 86TH in total D and 48th in scoring D. Seemed to be enough for a conference title, so I'm not sure why we scapegoat a defensive unit that was in the top quintile in the country.
people do that because they dont know football as good as they think they do. They also compare everything to 2011......likely because they are not old enough to remember any year before that....good, bad, or otherwise
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