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re: Does President have the authority to grant reprieves to millions of "illegals"
Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:38 am to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:38 am to SpidermanTUba
Yes, and no.
He cannot pardon prospective illegal behavior. Thus, he could pardon Juan for breaking immigration laws up to today, but Juan would be a lawbreaker the second after the pardon was signed, since he would be in the country illegally.
He cannot pardon prospective illegal behavior. Thus, he could pardon Juan for breaking immigration laws up to today, but Juan would be a lawbreaker the second after the pardon was signed, since he would be in the country illegally.
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:39 am to SpidermanTUba
He cannot pardon a class - he has to pardon by name, and specify, precisely the crimes for which the person is being pardoned. Now, it can be for a crime the person has yet to be charged or convicted of, but it must be specified (ETA: and - it cannot be prospective, as UDT suggests).
This post was edited on 11/21/14 at 8:40 am
Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:52 am to SpidermanTUba
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Does President have the authority to grant reprieves to millions of "illegals"
Does 'authority' matter, ST? Did he and Holder have the 'authority' to manhandle Atkinson, per the thread below?
We've gone beyond the Constitutional 'authority' thing; as tens of millions now are irreversibly intertwined into our system (Social Security, ACA, Government subsidies aplenty), which is supported by exponentially increasing debt/deficit spending.
When people abandon the old Constitutional model of Governance, and diametrically disagree on the 'two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner' and seek Democratic solutions (think Ferguson)...God only knows what happens. Unintended consequences can be a bitch. I suspect none of us can even imagine how this shakes out.
BTW, Geraldo Rivera (on Fox n Friends, this morn) offered one the best and most persuasive arguments championing the President's action that I've ever heard. Nobody on that show - or me - could successfully refute his assertions. Of course, he paints the happy version...and leaves out the reality of numbers and economic unreality.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:53 am to SpidermanTUba
your constitutional analysis is truly astounding!
Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:54 am to SpidermanTUba
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For the millions of "illegals" in the U.S., failure to stop at the border for inspection is actually a past crime. Maybe you weren't aware of that.
Don't even know where to start. You are the best. Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:00 am to SpidermanTUba
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For the millions of "illegals" in the U.S., failure to stop at the border for inspection is actually a past crime. Maybe you weren't aware of that.
No visa, no passport, violating a number of laws regarding working, reporting income, remaining in the country illegally, misrepresentations on paperwork, and these are just the "law abiding" ones - wait until we get to the violent criminals, identity thieves, etc.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:03 am to SpidermanTUba
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The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
(Article II)
guess so.
Are there no depths to the utter slime you will sink to in order to defend this indefensible filthy f*cking SCUMBAG???
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:28 am to SpidermanTUba
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Maybe you didn't know this but a green card doesn't give you the right to vote. I know you're stupid and stuff but I figured you'd at least know this.
It is not an issue of the existing immigrants voting.
It is their children and grandchildren, who i assure you, will have and exercise the right to vote. Literally breeding a voter base.
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