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Ronald Reagan and Immigration: The AP Distortion
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:23 am
This should help educate the left as they try to claim this is the same thing as Reagan and Bush.
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The Left’s storyline tries to tell Americans this, as expressed succinctly in the AP story:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Two presidents have acted unilaterally on immigration — and both were Republican. Ronald Reagan and his successor George H.W. Bush extended amnesty to family members who were not covered by the last major overhaul of immigration law in 1986. Neither faced the political uproar widely anticipated if and when President Barack Obama uses his executive authority to protect millions of immigrants from deportation
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Here’s the sleight of hand, and the not very clever one at that. For this explanation we turn to two people who know exactly what they are talking about. First, Fox News legal beagle-in-chief Judge Andrew Napolitano. And the second, Jonathan Turley, the law professor from George Washington University who is not only a liberal but, as reported here in Politico has been hired by House Republicans to oversee the lawsuit to be filed by Republicans against President Obama for “executive overreach.”
Judge Napolitano explains the difference to Megyn Kelly. In one word? The difference between what Reagan and Bush did and what Obama intends to do is the word “statute.”
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As everyone knows, in 1986 President Reagan signed into law the Simpson-Mazzoli bill, known officially as The Immigration and Control Act. We’ll come back to that at a later time - the law did not work as Reagan intended (hint: No border security as promised). But for immediate purposes it is important to know that in signing the bill Reagan’s presidential signature made the bill a law - a statute. Presidents cannot pass laws unilaterally. That’s the job of the Congress per the Constitution, as every American school child is suppose to learn early on. What presidents can do - must do if a bill is to become law - is sign the bill. That’s what Reagan did.
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Presidents also have the job of interpreting the statute they are sworn to uphold. So sworn by the presidential oath in which they “do solemnly swear” to “faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States …” and “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
What is the difference between Reagan and Obama? Reagan’s action was in accordance with the law - the statute. The very law that he had signed after - say again after - it was passed by Congress. What President Obama is about to do is unilaterally write the law - as if he were writing or re-writing a statute - all by himself. As Judge Napolitano says:
When he suspends deportations, and when he imposes his own conditions on those suspensions, he’s effectively re-writing the law. And that violates his oath to enforce and uphold the law as it’s been written. The American people, the Congress and the courts need to know that we have a president who will enforce the law. When he says ‘I will not enforce the law because I don’t like it or I’m impatient’, that doesn’t wash under the Constitution.
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The Judge goes on to say quite pointedly and specifically what is the Reagan/Obama difference:
Every president since Dwight D. Eisenhower has suspended some deportations. President Reagan did it to 100,000 families. He did it on the basis of the 1986 statute enacted by the Congress. President George H.W.Bush did it for 1.5 million people, only about 350,000 took advantage of it, and it was based on his interpretation of the statute. President Obama does not re-interpret a statute. He takes a statute and says ‘I’m going to disregard it. I’m going to give you a better one. I’m going to set down a set of standards that I would have written had I been the law maker.’ He’s not the law maker, he’s the law enforcer.’
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Fox host Kelly, also a lawyer, asked the Judge: “At what point does he cross the clear line from discretion to completely ignoring his executive obligations to enforce the law?” Judge Napolitano correctly answers:
“When he grossly abuses his discretion, and when the effect of his discretion is to suspend a statute or to have the opposite effect of what the statute commands, that is a gross abuse. He will be playing with constitutional fire if he does this.”
This was further emphasized by liberal law professor Turley, who underlined the basic principle at stake:
What the President is suggesting is tearing at the very fabric of the Constitution. We have a separation of powers that gives us balance. And that doesn’t protect the branches. It’s not there to protect the executive branch or legislative branch. It’s to protect liberty. It’s to keep any branch from assuming so much control that they become a threat to liberty. The American people have to force this issue…
Posted on 11/20/14 at 11:25 am to BugAC
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What the Obama White House will not tell you is that they are deliberately and willfully usurping the role of the Congress. That is a difference - a very big difference - between what Obama is about to do and what Presidents Reagan and Bush 41 did.
It is if President Reagan woke up one fine morning and said “Gee, that Simpson-Mazzoli bill is stuck over there in Congress and they aren’t listening to me. I think I’ll just sign an executive order that makes Simpson-Mazzoli law. Gosh, it’s good to be king!”
One particular warning that is made by Jonathan Turley is the obvious. What if, when there is a next Republican president - and inevitably there will be - and that President Republican looks to what he calls the “Obama Precedent?” What Mr. Obama is doing is opening the door to a future president who decides he’s had just about enough of the abortion lobby and decides to sign an executive order that bans abortion. Or gay marriage. Or the capital gains or income taxes or any other law that irritates President republican as current immigration law irritates President Obama. What if a President Scott Walker unilaterally decides there is no right to a union? Can you imagine the liberal outcry? And it needs to be said that if that’s how law is going to be made henceforth - liberals would be right to scream bloody murder.
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Precedent, of course, is a considerable part of the way government operates. Indeed, precedent is exactly the argument being made by the AP with regard to the Reagan and Bush executive orders. They are precedent, the AP is saying. In fact the situations are entirely different. Not just apples and oranges, but apples and pigs that fly.
What President Obama is about to do is effectively declare himself the Emperor of the United States. And it will be up to Republicans in the House and Senate to say the obvious: the Emperor has no clothes, much less the constitutional power to do what he says he is going to do.
Lets get this off the table immediately. No. No, no and no again, no matter what the Associated Press says - no matter what the Obama minions say - Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush most assuredly did not do this. There is no precedent - period.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:01 pm to BugAC
Any liberals care to address?
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:09 pm to BugAC
They cannot. You are correct.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:17 pm to BugAC
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Any liberals care to address?
All libs be grubered on this.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:18 pm to BugAC
Libs don't deal with facts, only emotion
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:24 pm to BugAC
"So Reagan, seeing this family unity problem that Congress had not anticipated or addressed when it granted amnesty to millions of parents, issued an executive order to defer the removal of children of the people who had applied for immigration amnesty under Congress’ new law."
He acted with an EO to grant further amnesties.
Is it as drastic as what Obama wants? Not even close. Still did it though.
And he pledged border security and didn't follow through.
He acted with an EO to grant further amnesties.
Is it as drastic as what Obama wants? Not even close. Still did it though.
And he pledged border security and didn't follow through.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:25 pm to BugAC
Good read....thanks for posting.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:36 pm to BayouBlitz
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He acted with an EO to grant further amnesties.
Is it as drastic as what Obama wants? Not even close. Still did it though
Reagan's scope was defined by a law voted on by congress. Obama is creating his own scope. That is an incredibly important difference. The fact that EO was used or the number of illegals affected by each president's EO is not relevant.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:08 pm to GRTiger
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Reagan's scope was defined by a law voted on by congress. Obama is creating his own scope. That is an incredibly important difference.
This, he's just trying to pick a fight. I guess liberals love this, but this ain't good, and Power swing both ways. Whats bad is now Repubs now can say, "well Obama did it" and apply it to whatever they want.. Thanks Obama for shreading the Constitutional structure of our Gov't..
Posted on 11/20/14 at 2:49 pm to BugAC
Liberals are idiot followers who will sell their birthright for their agenda getting pushed forward.
Hint at why Obama won't wait.
He knows if he waits that the Republicans will pass a comprehensive plan, taking all the credit away from the Democrats who had the House and senate for 2 years under Obama and couldn't get anything done. And the POS, also knows that the Republicans will also place in the law mandates for border security to be in place before any amnesty is given.
Obama and his liberal byches don't want the border secured.
The SCOTUS is going to deliver a stomp down on this stupid SOB.
The SCOTUS will strike this overreach down and will strike down his Obamacare subsidies to the states that didn't start up exchanges.
This will leave this president as a stupid, buffoonish, cartoonish, POS president.
He will be mocked as the buffoon who wrecked everything he touched.
Hint at why Obama won't wait.
He knows if he waits that the Republicans will pass a comprehensive plan, taking all the credit away from the Democrats who had the House and senate for 2 years under Obama and couldn't get anything done. And the POS, also knows that the Republicans will also place in the law mandates for border security to be in place before any amnesty is given.
Obama and his liberal byches don't want the border secured.
The SCOTUS is going to deliver a stomp down on this stupid SOB.
The SCOTUS will strike this overreach down and will strike down his Obamacare subsidies to the states that didn't start up exchanges.
This will leave this president as a stupid, buffoonish, cartoonish, POS president.
He will be mocked as the buffoon who wrecked everything he touched.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 11/20/14 at 3:03 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Question
Was both Reagen and Bush in communication with the House & Senate while this was all taking place? Suppose I'm trying to ask, was everyone working together back then between the President, the House, and the Senate during the process? If so, nothing like that is taking place now.
Was both Reagen and Bush in communication with the House & Senate while this was all taking place? Suppose I'm trying to ask, was everyone working together back then between the President, the House, and the Senate during the process? If so, nothing like that is taking place now.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:53 pm to SquirrelyBama
Here is the gist of Reagan and Bush's E.O.'s.
The Congress's statute had some unintended cracks in it that Reagan and the congress had thought through, but evidently had placed bad or narrow language in the bill that didn't cover a subset of people that both Reagan and tge Congress had intended to cover, HENCE THE E.O.
Where you liberal byches at. Cowards.
The Congress's statute had some unintended cracks in it that Reagan and the congress had thought through, but evidently had placed bad or narrow language in the bill that didn't cover a subset of people that both Reagan and tge Congress had intended to cover, HENCE THE E.O.
Where you liberal byches at. Cowards.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 6:20 pm
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