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re: Obama’s Executive Order on Immigration Is Unlikely to Include Health Benefits
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:06 pm to lsu13lsu
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:06 pm to lsu13lsu
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Emergency rooms will still be forced to take them. They cannot be turned away. People will subsidize them the same way we always have with a hidden tax via higher insurance premiums.
How is this different than today?
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:10 pm to Vegas Bengal
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How is this different than today?
I am stating what is going on today and what will go on after the EO. Obama's EO doesn't have to include healthcare benefits. They already get them.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:10 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Obama’s Executive Order on Immigration Is Unlikely to Include Health Benefits
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Emergency rooms will still be forced to take them. They cannot be turned away. People will subsidize them the same way we always have with a hidden tax via higher insurance premiums.
How is this different than today?
I assumed that was the point.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:10 pm to Vegas Bengal
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In 1986, Congress and Reagan enacted a sweeping overhaul that gave legal status to up to 3 million immigrants
There's the difference right under your nose.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:12 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I assumed that was the point.
Yep
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:13 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Nearly three decades ago, there was barely a peep when Reagan and Bush used their authority to extend amnesty to the spouses and minor children of immigrants covered by the 1986 law.
In 1986, Congress and Reagan enacted a sweeping overhaul that gave legal status to up to 3 million immigrants without authorization to be in the country, if they had come to the U.S. before 1982. Spouses and children who could not meet that test did not qualify, which incited protests that the new law was breaking up families.
Early efforts in Congress to amend the law to cover family members failed. In 1987, Reagan's Immigration and Naturalization Service commissioner announced that minor children of parents granted amnesty by the law would get protection from deportation.
I don't see how this is similar to what is going on now. Thousands of illegals are flowing over the border now and there is no necessity to show that they have family that are legally here in the US. So do the illegals here now have to show proof they are here with family who are LEGALLY here? I doubt it.
If Obama is going to simply grant amnesty to those here in the US, this is not the same. Even worse, if Token is correct and Obama is trying to set up a separate class, this is even farther from true.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:18 pm to SundayFunday
He's not granting amnesty to everyone. Only those of legal family members. That's exactly what Reagan and Bush did. 1.5 million of them.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:19 pm to Vegas Bengal
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He's not granting amnesty to everyone. Only those of legal family members. That's exactly what Reagan and Bush did. 1.5 million of them.
He is letting everyone over the border come over here and have kids. And he is letting kids come over here so they can later bring their family.
It sure sounds like everyone has access to this free for all.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:22 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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There's the difference right under your nose.
No. The question what law would he be breaking. The answer is none. Nothing is the amnesty bill gave a Reagan and Bush authority to grant amnesty and they did.
And I'm using the word amnesty loosely bc none of them are granting amnesty. They're just not enforcing the law on those family members. Executive discretion.
Does a cop stop everyone who drives over 55? Does the DA prosecute every case? No on both accounts. Is what they're doing illegal? No.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:23 pm to lsu13lsu
quote:he's letting them have kids?
He is letting everyone over the border come over here and have kids
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:24 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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There's the difference right under your nose.
Initially. But then Reagan issued an EO extending amnesty to others.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:25 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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There's the difference right under your nose.
He/She won't understand that congress was behind past efforts...
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:26 pm to BayouBlitz
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Initially. But then Reagan issued an EO extending amnesty to others.
So where is Obama's Simpson-Mazzoli granting him the authority?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:27 pm to Vegas Bengal
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They're just not enforcing the law
Which he swore to do, right?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:30 pm to Vegas Bengal
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They're just not enforcing the law on those family members. Executive discretion.
38% approve of this in a recent poll. That's even less than Obama's approval rating.
I've asked several times how this helps the average american citizen that Obama spoke so much about in his post-midterm speech a coupla weeks ago and I still havent heard one single reason. You got one?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:35 pm to UncleFestersLegs
The day we see a huge law passed, with Obama having both Democrats and Republicans next to him, is the day Obama has grown-up as President. You'd think Obama would realize this is the best shot for his laws to not go away and actually mean something. His biggest achievement, nonpartisan Obamacare, is about to get shot down in the Supreme Court. What's the President now, 1-12 in the Supreme Court with how far his authority has overreached?
A Bipartisan Immigration Bill actually is final
Wake-up Obama, after 6 years it's time
A Bipartisan Immigration Bill actually is final
Wake-up Obama, after 6 years it's time
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:37 pm to teke184
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At best, they get the subsidy on the front end then get an anal probe by the IRS. Won't happen though because the IRS won't follow up on it.
They'll get the subsidy, not buy a plan and still get free health care (well, free to them - you and I will pay for it).
I'll eat my hat if that isn't the rule, rather than the exception.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:41 pm to BayouBlitz
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But then Reagan issued an EO extending amnesty to others.
So that was a bad thing, no question. I was against it then, because we know we'd have to address it again in 20 or 30 years - and here we are.
But Reagan did a lot of good things, too - revolutionary changes that needed to be made - with the tax code, the Cold War, etc. I wish he would have attacked the tax structure, but he worked within the system to accomplish a lot of positive things.
As far as good things - BHO made the no-brainer call to send DEVGRU to kill Bin Laden - after almost dicking around too long, Clinton-style, and missing the opportunity. Other than that... *crickets*
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:44 pm to SundayFunday
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Here is a serious question. What specific laws, if any, will he be breaking by unilaterally giving amnesty?
Article 1, Section 8.
Naturalization is a congressional function. NOT an executive function.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 1:55 pm to Vegas Bengal
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he's letting them have kids?
Incentivizing is the better term. Take that one to your Berneys Propoganda Machine Meeting for proper spin and disrupt verbiage.
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