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re: Here's a nice "f*ck you" to the Climate Change apostles (caution: sciency shite)
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:07 pm to BugAC
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:07 pm to BugAC
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I would if there were any emails that said such a thing. Maybe you're vastly over-inflating Trenberth's email?
I'll find them and link them.
Here are the 2nd batch of leaked emails. Not Trenberths'
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:08 pm to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:09 pm to gatorrocks
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What's funny is I am a complete fricking moron who didn't realize the picture on the upper left is a fake of the one below. The sad part is, this will not at all be a learning experience for me, and I will continue to be a complete fricking moron.
FIFY
I have difficulty imagining how anyone could be as stupid as gatorrocks.
LINK
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:15 pm to Iosh
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10. Science lesson 1: Small things can have large effects. Ozone, for instance, makes up an even smaller portion of the atmosphere. Science lesson 2: CO2 drives climate because it doesn't precipitate out when directly added and water vapor does.
Another point to this. I can't find the thread, but in a previous thread i debated with a few of the global warming fanatics about CO2 makeup.
While i agree that small things can impact the atmosphere, the raise in atmospheric CO2 is minute.
I posted about it in a previous thread, here is what i posted.
LINK
America makes up 4% of the human population. Co2, makes up roughly .04% of the atmosphere. America's portion of that .04% is .016%. Now, it's estimated that 4% of that CO2 that is tallied comes from "man made" sources. So that would mean that man made CO2 makes up approximately .0064% of the Earth's atmosphere.
I repeat. America's CO2 output, which is the target here, makes up approximately .0064% of the world's atmosphere. And in your mind, that is why global climate change is happening?
6 one-thousandths of a percent...
LINK
Biosphere emits 55.28% of CO2 in the atmosphere
Oceans emit 41.46% of the CO2 in the atmosphere
Burning of fossil fuels emit 3.27% of CO2 in the atmosphere.
ETA: I believe my earlier post may be incorrect. Let's examine
4% of the CO2 emitted is due to fossil fuels.
.004% of the atmosphere is CO2
so
.00016% of the atmosphere is related to Fossil fuels (someone check my math)
Of that America's is responsible for 15% of the world's CO2 emmissions.
So 15% of .0000016 = .000024% of Earth's CO2 is due to America's CO2 emmissions.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:16 pm to gatorrocks
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Seriously? It's Time magazine covers.
Do you want them from Time magazine's site?
Try reading the titles you idiot!!!
OMG this is awesome!! Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:17 pm to SpidermanTUba
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SpidermanTUba
I posted about 10 more time and other magazine covers discussing global warming and the end times. Some were from 2000, a couple were from the 70's.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:21 pm to baytiger
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Climate Change was used more in the scientific lexicon for most of the last century and global warming has always been a subset of climate change.
And it was also George W Bush that decided the Big Nanny Gubment would start using the term "climate change" rather than 'global warming'
Basically everything that comes out of a denialist's mouth is fabrication. Most of them - like gatorrocks - aren't even aware of it.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:25 pm to BugAC
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I am a moron, rivalling gatorrocks, who doesn't realize these cover story articles have nothing to do with global cooling, but are instead about the 1970's energy crisis. If I weren't a moron and knew a little history, I might have guessed this just from the cover photos, especially the first one, since its got a fricking newspaper headline that makes it painfully obvious the article is energy related. Like gatorrocks, I will not learn from this experience, and continue to be a total moron.
FIFY
Y'all have been awesome today!
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:26 pm to SpidermanTUba
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And it was also George W Bush that decided the Big Nanny Gubment would start using the term "climate change" rather than 'global warming'
For hating the guy so much, you lefties sure do emulate him.
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Basically everything that comes out of a denialist's mouth is fabrication.
I'm waiting on you to actually debate any facts presented. Instead it's inane nonsense. At least Iosh attempts to debate.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:27 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Why are you posting covers with cover stories about the 1970's energy crisis? Doesn't seem related to global cooling.
I was googling time magazine and posted cover photos. Didn't look into these too carefully. Care to discuss the others?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:28 pm to BugAC
quote:do you dispute that CFCs were damaging our atmosphere because such a small amount of them, by volume, were released? Because they were pretty awful and cutting them out has been a huge benefit.
I repeat. America's CO2 output, which is the target here, makes up approximately .0064% of the world's atmosphere. And in your mind, that is why global climate change is happening?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:28 pm to BugAC
I'm going to number your replies because manually breaking quotes is a pain.
2. Our CO2 isn't special. It's that our net emissions (combined with deforestation) have tipped the carbon source/carbon sink balance. LINK
3. Actually, I believe it probably is, and that's the most likely explanation for ~the pause~. AGW doesn't necessarily have to be a steady increase, nor does it cancel out cycles like the PDO/AMO. But it can change a cycle naturally comprising downswings and upswings into a cycle of pauses and BIG upswings.
4. See 2.
quote:1. No, it means scientists will never be able to answer questions as exacting as "what percentage of today's high in my city is anthropogenic." No physical system involving fluids is ever going to resolve to that level of detail. Similarly, a doctor will never be able to tell you exactly how many Dr. Peppers over a lifetime will cause diabetes, but can authoritatively state you should cut back on a 12-pack a day.
1.Ok. So then the cooling or warming of Earth that is going on now is natural.
2. Wait, are you arguing that the Earth does not absorb the CO2 produced by man, only by life forms? I'd be interested in seeing the study on that.
3. You don't believe the Earth is in the midst of a natural cooling cycle?
4. BUt it is absorbed by other life on the planet.
2. Our CO2 isn't special. It's that our net emissions (combined with deforestation) have tipped the carbon source/carbon sink balance. LINK
3. Actually, I believe it probably is, and that's the most likely explanation for ~the pause~. AGW doesn't necessarily have to be a steady increase, nor does it cancel out cycles like the PDO/AMO. But it can change a cycle naturally comprising downswings and upswings into a cycle of pauses and BIG upswings.
4. See 2.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:29 pm to BugAC
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Didn't look into these too carefully. Care to discuss the others?
No. Why don't you look into them a little more carefully, first. I'm tired of doing your and gatorrock's homework now. I'm going to go play with the grown ups.This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:30 pm to SpidermanTUba
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As you've admitted, you haven't bothered to do any homework on the covers, so you wouldn't actually have anything to add to a discussion about them.
Um, the other 8 covers are real covers. Go dig into them. Or cower away. Your choice.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:30 pm to baytiger
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CFCs
CFC's?
and my claim here
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America's CO2 output, which is the target here, makes up approximately .0064% of the world's atmosphere
Is incorrect. It is much much smaller
Biosphere emits 55.28% of CO2 in the atmosphere
Oceans emit 41.46% of the CO2 in the atmosphere
Burning of fossil fuels emit 3.27% of CO2 in the atmosphere.
ETA: I believe my earlier post may be incorrect. Let's examine
4% of the CO2 emitted is due to fossil fuels.
.004% of the atmosphere is CO2
so
.00016% of the atmosphere is related to Fossil fuels (someone check my math)
Of that America's is responsible for 15% of the world's CO2 emmissions.
So 15% of .0000016 = .000024% of Earth's CO2 is due to America's CO2 emmissions.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:31 pm to Iosh
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Neither Ron or Rand Paul have ever been on board with the consensus, as far as I know. They're doctrinaire libertarians, not Pigou Club types. They're going to take the doctrinaire position that it's a scheme for big government.
This is what he said:
quote:LINK
"There's abundant evidence that carbon is increasing and has increased since the industrial age," Paul said. "All I ask for is that the solution has to be a balanced solution and that you have to account for jobs and jobs lost by regulation."
"And I'm not against regulation. I think the environment has been cleaned up dramatically through regulations on emissions as well as clean water over the last 40 or 50 years. But I don't want to shut down all forms of energy such that thousands and thousands of people lose jobs," Paul continued.
"Plus we're a growing population and as we grow we need more energy and maybe cleaner energy will supplant less clean energy over time and it already is, but I don't think shutting down dramatically one form of energy is a good idea for an economy," the senator said.
Paul also cautioned against what he called "religiousity" on the climate issue.
"Okay, you had me, now you're losing me," Maher responded.
But the Kentuckian said he was sure there was "a middle ground on this."
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While saying he's not against some regulations, such as on carbon emissions and clean water, Paul said he plans on introducing legislation "in the next month or so" that would cut regulation of alternative fuels.
LINK
The problem with this issue are the extremists. The deniers are no better than the Al Gore people. They refuse to acknowledge the problem of carbon emissions and what that's done to the environment and global warming.
There is a middle ground and that's what Rand Paul is saying.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:33 pm to BugAC
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Um, the other 8 covers are real covers.
So are the two you posted about the 70's energy crisis.
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Go dig into them. Or cower away. Your choice.
I like how you call me a coward for failing to do what yourself haven't bother to do. You are not only a moron, but a hypocrite.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:35 pm to BugAC
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America's CO2 output, which is the target here, makes up approximately .0064% of the world's atmosphere
Comparing a Co2/year to Co2 - not even the same fricking units dude.
This must be dumbest and dummerest toester.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:35 pm to BugAC
Yes, I mentioned CFCs. Because a small amount of a chemical in the atmosphere can tip the balance of the ecosystem. CFCs are an easy example because the amount of them introduced into the atmosphere was so tiny yet their impacts were incredibly devastating.
In comparison, the amount of foreign CO2 that we pump into the atmosphere every year is enormous, even though it makes up a relatively small percentage of the air by volume. However, because our planet can't sink as much CO2 as we're pumping out, the gas is building up and having an impact on our climate.
In comparison, the amount of foreign CO2 that we pump into the atmosphere every year is enormous, even though it makes up a relatively small percentage of the air by volume. However, because our planet can't sink as much CO2 as we're pumping out, the gas is building up and having an impact on our climate.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:36 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:FIFYquote:FIFY
What's funny is I am a complete fricking moron who didn't realize the picture on the upper left is a fake of the one below. The sad part is, this will not at all be a learning experience for me, and I will continue to be a complete fricking moron.
I have difficulty imagining how anyone could be as stupid as gatorrocks.
LINK
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