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Government funded Google solar power facility is floundering

Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:31 pm
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:31 pm
Results don't matter, only the intentions count.
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"It’s going to put about 1,000 people to work building a state-of-the-art facility. And when it’s complete, it will turn sunlight into the energy that will power up to 140,000 homes,” Obama said of Ivanpah in a weekly address in Oct. 2010 .

President Obama was too quick to tout the benefits of the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System, and its expected electrical generating output. According to the Energy Information Administration, from January through August 2014, its three units generated 254,263 megawatt-hours of electricity, which is about one-quarter of the annual 1 million-plus megawatt-hours that had been anticipated for the plant, allegedly due to fewer sunny days than predicted. Its owners are now requesting a $539 million federal grant to help pay off part of a $1.6 billion federal loan it received to build the plant.


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The 392-megawatt Ivanpah plant started commercial operation at the end of December 2013, and for the first eight months of 2014, it generated just 254,263 megawatt-hours of electricity—about one-fourth of the anticipated level.


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The plant has been criticized for causing the death of between 1,000 and 28,000 birds per year .


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They’re asking for a government handout to cover the payment they must make on a government loan. Adding to the plant’s woes is a request to use 60 percent more natural gas in auxiliary boilers than was allowed under the plant’s certification that was restricted to 5 percent of the total annual heat input from the sun.


Worth reading the entire article
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33406 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:34 pm to
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Results don't matter, only the intentions count.


Kind of like the Iraq War?
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 6:49 pm to
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Big Scrub TX


I hope you didn't injure yourself with that stretch.
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
21597 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 6:53 pm to
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Ivanpah’s $1.6 billion federal loan came through the Department of Energy’s 1705 loan guarantee program and helped finance the plant’s construction, which began in 2010. Google also invested $168 million in the project. The DOE loan program was intended for technologies that were well past the pilot project stage, but that still needed to demonstrate full-scale commercialization


Oops. 40% below target and in debt, I guess full-scale commercialization still not realized.

Obama - surpassing idiocy target by 40%.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33406 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:02 pm to
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I hope you didn't injure yourself with that stretch.


You're right. Trillions of dollars is nothing compared with mere hundreds of millions.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33406 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:03 pm to
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. 40% below target and in debt, I guess full-scale commercialization still not realized. Obama - surpassing idiocy target by 40%.


Again - serious question: do you apply this analysis writ large to the Iraq War? Would you say "oops" applies there as well? Was "full-scale" democratization realized?
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:03 pm to
Photovoltaics are cheap as balls, why are we sinking money into solar thermal?
Posted by Radiojones
The Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2007
10728 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:07 pm to
Deflect much?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72120 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:08 pm to
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Kind of like the Iraq War?
Didn't support bullshite then, don't support bullshite now.

Grow up and stop playing the "look at what your party did" game.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:09 pm to
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Kind of like the Iraq War?



Or Bosnia?

Kosovo?

Somalia?

Libya?

Egypt?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33406 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:09 pm to
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Grow up and stop playing the "look at what your party did" game.


I don't have a party. It's just amazing how much outrage can be generated over effectively a drop in the bucket yet ZERO outrage over a multi-trillion dollar, generational screw up. If you take a step back you'll see I'm not the one clinging to a party here.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33406 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:10 pm to
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Deflect much?


I'm all for eliminating waste, but why don't we focus on the things that are literally thousands of times bigger and more destructive? I guess we'd rather wave little flags and get teary-eyed over crippled veterans returning home than actually asking any hard questions.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72120 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:13 pm to
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It's just amazing how much outrage can be generated over effectively a drop in the bucket yet ZERO outrage over a multi-trillion dollar, generational screw up.
It is complete bullshite. The Iraq war is a complete tragedy and those who voted to support it are to blame for something that has screwed not only this country, but the world for years to come.

That does not mean that we should now downplay or ignore every other instance of government waste.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 7:14 pm
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:14 pm to
I have criticized the wars numerous times.

This thread isn't really about that.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:15 pm to
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I don't have a party.



Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33406 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:16 pm to
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That does not mean that we should now downplay or ignore every other instance of government waste.


Right. But let's summarize the OP:

"Federal politician promises some economic benefit based on government spending/lending".

Talk about run of the mill.
Posted by Radiojones
The Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2007
10728 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:18 pm to
I am completely with you. We should cut the entire federal budget by at least 10% across the board each year until the budget is balanced. Then we need a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution to make sure we never get into this mess again.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:33 pm to
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Right. But let's summarize the OP:



bullshite pie in the sky technology touted to fight climate change doesn't work as designed and needs government to prop it up.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:43 pm to
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bullshite pie in the sky technology touted to fight climate change doesn't work as designed and needs government to prop it up.

This particular solar investment appears to be poor.

However solar investments will be a necessity for our energy future.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/18/14 at 7:47 pm to
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However solar investments will be a necessity for our energy future.



How so?
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