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Legalized Highway Robbery
Posted on 11/17/14 at 6:16 am
Posted on 11/17/14 at 6:16 am
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What could go wrong here?
quote:
A house bill recently introduced in the Texas legislature would allow police officers to collect immediate payment from “defendants” for Class C misdemeanor traffic fines “by use of a credit or debit card,” completely circumventing the rule of law and citizens’ due process rights.
H.B. No. 121, introduced on Monday by State Rep. Allen Fletcher, concerns “an alternative means of payment of certain criminal fines and court costs.”
What could go wrong here?
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 7:59 am to GeauxWrek
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:05 am to GeauxWrek
I like the picture of the police car with the "Visa/MC?Amex Accepted Here" logo.
Police cars really should say that if his bill passes.
Police cars really should say that if his bill passes.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:07 am to GeauxWrek
quote:
A house bill recently introduced in the Texas legislature would allow police officers to collect immediate payment from “defendants” for Class C misdemeanor traffic fines “by use of a credit or debit card,” completely circumventing the rule of law and citizens’ due process rights.
Seems like they are just allowing you to do it. Not forcing you do it. So you would be waiving your due process rights for the sake of convenient, which si what most people do anyway (i pay online)
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:08 am to SammyTiger
quote:
Seems like they are just allowing you to do it. Not forcing you do it. So you would be waiving your due process rights for the sake of convenient, which si what most people do anyway (i pay online)
I think the idea is that it gives law enforcement room to pressure people into paying on the spot as opposed to fighting a sometimes winnable ticket in court.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:25 am to GeauxWrek
quote:It won't pass.
A house bill recently introduced
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:25 am to SammyTiger
quote:
Not forcing you do it.
Cmon man. At night on a back road a cop and a gun, blue lights etc is not quite the same as deciding whether to pay cash or credit at dunkin donnuts .
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:26 am to GeauxWrek
As a Law Enforcement Officer, I think that this is an INCREDIBLY STUPID frickING IDEA. While I do believe that MOST LEO's are good and decent people......NOT ALL OF THEM ARE!
Why would this even be proposed. It circumvents the DA's office......LEO's would be operating outside of their purview by doing this.
I am a LEO that strongly believes that cops (and the CJ system all together) are getting too involved in peoples lives. Part of the reason for this is because people can not solve ANY of their own problems anymore, and contact LEO's for EVERYTHING! You would be amazed how many times I have been called to a residence because their neighbor walked across their grass to get to the road or something stupid like that. When I ask these people if they talked to their neighbor they just shake their head no. Same thing with children....I had a woman call me to her house because she told her son not to drink a coke and he did it anyway....seriously!
Another problem and definitely the BIGGEST PROBLEM is that there are ENTIRELY TOO MANY frickING LAWS on the books. If anyone who is not in Law Enforcement or the CJS for that matter, would read through a statute book....you would be appalled by the redundancy and stupidity in the CJS.
I am firm believer that the CJS needs to be stream lined, with less nit picky laws. People also need to get back to solving their own petty issues....they call LEO's to everything going on in their lives, but get mad when the results do not favor them.
I know that I went off on a tangent there...and I apologize for that, but I had to get that off of my chest
.
I really believe that this bill would be a TURRIBLE step in the wrong direction.
Why would this even be proposed. It circumvents the DA's office......LEO's would be operating outside of their purview by doing this.
I am a LEO that strongly believes that cops (and the CJ system all together) are getting too involved in peoples lives. Part of the reason for this is because people can not solve ANY of their own problems anymore, and contact LEO's for EVERYTHING! You would be amazed how many times I have been called to a residence because their neighbor walked across their grass to get to the road or something stupid like that. When I ask these people if they talked to their neighbor they just shake their head no. Same thing with children....I had a woman call me to her house because she told her son not to drink a coke and he did it anyway....seriously!
Another problem and definitely the BIGGEST PROBLEM is that there are ENTIRELY TOO MANY frickING LAWS on the books. If anyone who is not in Law Enforcement or the CJS for that matter, would read through a statute book....you would be appalled by the redundancy and stupidity in the CJS.
I am firm believer that the CJS needs to be stream lined, with less nit picky laws. People also need to get back to solving their own petty issues....they call LEO's to everything going on in their lives, but get mad when the results do not favor them.
I know that I went off on a tangent there...and I apologize for that, but I had to get that off of my chest
. I really believe that this bill would be a TURRIBLE step in the wrong direction.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:31 am to infantry1026
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infantry1026
Nobody cares you fricking pig!
I knew I smelt a pork product.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:33 am to GeauxWrek
This is why you shouldn't get your news from inforwars. The bill would just allow people who have warrants out for their arrest as they've defaulted on a payment with the court to pay the fine without being arrested on the spot.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:35 am to TOKEN
quote:
Nobody cares you fricking pig!
I knew I smelt a pork product.
Very informative.....and really funny as hell!
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:59 am to C
quote:That's a huge difference in the purpose of the bill from what the OP implies. Good catch!
The bill would just allow people who have warrants out for their arrest as they've defaulted on a payment with the court to pay the fine without being arrested on the spot.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:06 am to GeauxWrek
As long as its not a mandatory payment I don't see where its a huge problem. Some drivers, not wanting to fight the violation, may find it convenient.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:23 am to GeauxWrek
I believe this is already done in New Mexico. I had a co-worker get pulled over there and, from what I understand, the ticket he received was kinda dicey. He said the cop was very, very adamant about having him pay on the spot. Apparently he spent several minutes explaining why he should pay the ticket there instead of going through the normal process.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:55 am to Holden Caulfield
quote:This is how I feel.
As long as its not a mandatory payment I don't see where its a huge problem. Some drivers, not wanting to fight the violation, may find it convenient.
When I've gotten a speeding ticket I either knew it was deserved or it wasn't.
When it was deserved I would have preferred to go ahead and pay it and not have to hassle with it in the future.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:56 am to GeauxWrek
quote:
A house bill recently introduced in the Texas legislature would allow police officers to collect immediate payment from “defendants” for Class C misdemeanor traffic fines “by use of a credit or debit card,” completely circumventing the rule of law and citizens’ due process rights.
Is it required or is it an option given to the offender?
Makes a big difference.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:59 am to LSURussian
quote:
As long as its not a mandatory payment I don't see where its a huge problem. Some drivers, not wanting to fight the violation, may find it convenient.
This is how I feel.
When I've gotten a speeding ticket I either knew it was deserved or it wasn't.
When it was deserved I would have preferred to go ahead and pay it and not have to hassle with it in the future.
the risk is if the cop was to place undue pressure on you to pay the ticket instead of fighting it. So if its legit, I can see this being very convenient but what happens if its not legit? And you want to fight but the cop tries to force you to pay, that isn't cool.
Although I would almost always pay. every ticket I have ever gotten I was guilty of.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:06 am to Hawkeye95
quote:
the risk is if the cop was to place undue pressure on you to pay the ticket instead of fighting it. So if its legit, I can see this being very convenient but what happens if its not legit? And you want to fight but the cop tries to force you to pay, that isn't cool.
I'd just want to buy a little time so I can get it fixed and I don't want to blatantly admit that to the cop.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:09 am to GeauxWrek
See this article on the DC budget
It's about public safety, . . . yeah right
quote:
The police chief claims that seizing cash, cars, and other assets from citizens without charging them with any crime is about "removing the profit gained from facilitating a crime" — not raising revenue. But the department budget's advance plans for use of seizure profits suggest otherwise.
It's about public safety, . . . yeah right
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:43 am to GeauxWrek
It was like this in Montana in the late 90s. May still be.
Got a ticket in Montana and the trooper asked if we wanted to pay there. Chick I was with (from Montanta) said she would like to pay but only had a little over half of the fine. As I openend my mouth to offer what was in my wallet I was given a slight squeeze of my hand. Trooper took what she had and we were on our way. It was very convenient actually and probably saves the state tons of money in collection costs.
Got a ticket in Montana and the trooper asked if we wanted to pay there. Chick I was with (from Montanta) said she would like to pay but only had a little over half of the fine. As I openend my mouth to offer what was in my wallet I was given a slight squeeze of my hand. Trooper took what she had and we were on our way. It was very convenient actually and probably saves the state tons of money in collection costs.
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