re: Quick reminder: this game will have no effect on recruiting.

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Nah, QB's will see this and think man, I can go in there and start day one

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LOL. So the NEXT highly rated QB will look at this season as an example of how an incoming highly rated Freshman can start from day 1?

Dude. If AJ can't be benched for a freshman, then there's no such thing as Miles benching a QB for a freshman.

frick. Miles brought in Andrew Hatch to avoid having to start a freshman!!!!!!

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It sure as shite don't help with Tyronn 

And cue up the posters that say LSU wasn't going to get him anyway. 

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We were never getting Tyron Johnson. He had Texas A&M and Texas Tech as his leaders last while our passing attack was shredding defenses. He is Speedy Noil all over again. There is nothing we can do to make him come here.

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We were never getting Tyron Johnson. He had Texas A&M and Texas Tech as his leaders last while our passing attack was shredding defenses. He is Speedy Noil all over again. There is nothing we can do to make him come here.

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There they are

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Bruh, go check the recruiting rankings for the last two years. Florida went 4-8 still landed the no.9 class in the country.

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Bruh. Go check the rankings the last several years and tell me which is more likely. The team that finished 4-8 ending high in the rankings or the team that finished 11-2.

Exceptions don't disprove this rule.

Oh. And recruiting rankings don't necessarily address recruiting holes.

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So if you really think losing 4 games in a season is going to cause some mass exodus of recruits, then you're fricking stupid.

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And if you think on field results have NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER upon recruiting as your OP asserts, you are fricking stupid.

There's a wide gulf between mass exodus and "no effect".

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Bruh. Go check the rankings the last several years and tell me which is more likely. The team that finished 4-8 ending high in the rankings or the team that finished 11-2. 

Exceptions don't disprove this rule. 

Oh. And recruiting rankings don't necessarily address recruiting holes. 

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The majority of the teams in the top 10 have worse or equal records than we do. And looking back it, there have always been multiple teams that finish with between 4-7 losses that pull top 10 classes.

Usually they're pretty damn reliable. Look at our 2012 class for example. Ranked as low as 18 and it has absolutely been horrible. Very few impact players came out of that crop. 9 times out of 10, the recruiting services will get it right.

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And if you think on field results have NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER upon recruiting as your OP asserts, you are fricking stupid. 

There's a wide gulf between mass exodus and "no effect". 

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I think having an average year will minimal effect on recruiting. Once again, we've had some of our best classes in below average years and had our worst class in our best year. Most recruits look at the big picture rather than focus on the here and now. If things get really bad like they did with A&M, I could see kids looking around, but it's not going to get that bad. Once again, I doubt going 8-4 will effect our recruiting. If a kid uses losing 4 games as an excuse to not go to LSU, they were never coming here. Now saying they don't like our offense, I can understand that, but we haven't really lost any recruits because of shitty offense before.

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You know this how? 

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He used to post on this site, every RB regular knows him. He was a big pumper of 5 for 5. I trust him, and he says Harris doesn't put in the work that Jennings does and the consensus among the coaches is that if Harris was willing to grind and work, he'd be the starter. Now I think they might have to make a change.

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Oh yeah, the same internet clap trap that we heard as excuses the last time. The whole "staff is aggravated" with JL thing. 

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I don't know anything about Lee, but comparing that to this situation isn't right. Both Lee and Jefferson sucked and were about equal in the suck department, but both were hard workers. This is just a freshman who knows he's better than the guy ahead of him and expects to be given the reigns.

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Has BH always been coming up short in the work department at LSU? Or, is this a cumulative problem? 

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Well, it's hard to out work AJ. I'll give the kid this, he works hard and tries to be the best he could be, he just doesn't have the physical ability.

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Well, it's hard to out work AJ. I'll give the kid this, he works hard and tries to be the best he could be, he just doesn't have the physical ability.

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By the way. Just wondering.

If BH is such a lazy butt, why was he ahead of Rettig?

And, was Rettig also a poor worker or, was he actually worse than this shite we have on the field?

This really is about more than just AJ and BH. We are basically to believe that the BEST QB we managed to recruit in the last 3 years is the worst QB in major college football.

Contemplate that.

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Or, maybe he doesn't expect to have to OUTwork AJ? Maybe he's a frustrated 18 year old who got told he'd get a legit shot and then showed up only to find that the incumbent QB was nearly unseatable short of BH being Manning. 

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We both now that's not true. If it was Jennings never would've been benched in the first place. I think its all about maturity. I believe Brandon will mature in time.

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I believe Brandon will mature in time.

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At this point, it can't just be a belief. I mean, we have no other options! If he doesn't mature, we could very easily lose 5-6 next year too with the HOPE, just a HOPE that whatever we recruit in 2016 is a stud freshman.

Honestly, given how rough we were with JJ/JL, that we had to HOPE the freshman this year was good already demonstrates catastrophically bad recruiting.