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Let me ask a stupid question about immigration reform
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:17 am
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:17 am
If all illegal immigrants are deported who is going to replace them in the workforce?
No house, hotel would get cleaned. No construction would proceed. No agriculture would be harvested among other things.
With whom are they replaced? Lieutenant Caffey? Lieutenant Weinberg?
Seriously. What would keep these industries from coming to a complete halt and what would that do with the Ecomony?
No house, hotel would get cleaned. No construction would proceed. No agriculture would be harvested among other things.
With whom are they replaced? Lieutenant Caffey? Lieutenant Weinberg?
Seriously. What would keep these industries from coming to a complete halt and what would that do with the Ecomony?
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Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:20 am to Martini
Roombas.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:32 am to Martini
quote:Who's going to replace them if they're granted amnesty, especially in the farm jobs?
If all illegal immigrants are deported who is going to replace them in the workforce?
Last time 95% left the farm jobs as soon as they could get a job elsewhere, and more illegals flooded in to take their place while waiting for the next amnesty.
Contractors would have to start paying the new citizens the same wages as Americans. If contractors weren't hiring the "cheap" labor now, Americans could work those jobs, like they used to.
But to answer your question: Guest Worker Program.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:33 am to Martini
all the people on welfare? unemployment insurance?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:35 am to Martini
why are these jobs not beneath the dignity of illegal immigrants but it is for citizens of the
U S?
U S?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:41 am to TigerTattle
quote:
Guest Worker Program.
And I agree in theory - but the employers will balk at paying above slave's wages - so, there will have to be a crackdown on the employers AND a sealing of the border to solve this problem. Doing anything with the population of illegal aliens, extant, will do nothing but encourage the next wave.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:41 am to Martini
quote:
Seriously. What would keep these industries from coming to a complete halt and what would that do with the Ecomony?
Faced with a labor shortage, but not a drop in labor demand, wages for that kind of labor would inevitably rise until meeting the levels demanded by American workers. Many industries (especially agriculture) would be hurt, but eventually, employers, job seekers, and consumers would adjust.
The issue is and always has been welfare and the minimum wage making not working more attractive than working these difficult, labor intensive, low skill jobs.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:44 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Both of these need to happen.
there will have to be a crackdown on the employers AND a sealing of the border to solve this problem
quote:Completely agree.
Doing anything with the population of illegal aliens, extant, will do nothing but encourage the next wave.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:51 am to kingbob
Well I believe you told me you were a project manager for a construction company so you see Hispanics daily on site I would assume. Do you think any one of them are not being paid more than minimum wage?
A field hand picking grapes, watermelons or a construction worker hanging Sheetrock, laying brick are making much more than minimum wage.
I agree on welfare. I can hire a Hispanic, pay him $20 an hour and get an appreciative amount of production out of a man that wants to work.
I can't find a white or a black person that I can pay $25 an hour for the same request. They will not do it.
A field hand picking grapes, watermelons or a construction worker hanging Sheetrock, laying brick are making much more than minimum wage.
I agree on welfare. I can hire a Hispanic, pay him $20 an hour and get an appreciative amount of production out of a man that wants to work.
I can't find a white or a black person that I can pay $25 an hour for the same request. They will not do it.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:55 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
And I agree in theory - but the employers will balk at paying above slave's wages - so, there will have to be a crackdown on the employers AND a sealing of the border to solve this problem. Doing anything with the population of illegal aliens, extant, will do nothing but encourage the next wave.
I know to an extent taking advantage of them exists but that exists with whomever not just illegal immigrants. There always will be slumlords.
However all the companies and people I know are paying far from slave wages.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:57 am to Martini
quote:
Do you think any one of them are not being paid more than minimum wage?
Seeing as I'm in industrial, no. There is a huge labor shortage, especially in my region. We can't pay welders enough to come work here. One of the other contractors on site hires a lot of immigrants, especially Guatemalans, Panamanians, and Hondurans. They make less than the Americans (by about $5/hr) but all more than minimum wage (the helpers start at $9/hr), but industrial construction is seeing a labor shortage in the gulf south like never before. Over the next 5 years, there are literally twice as many jobs as skilled craftsmen to work them. It's insane.
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 7:00 am
Posted on 11/14/14 at 6:58 am to Martini
They might be making more than min wage, but they arent making $20-$25 an hr. Probably $15 an hr at the most. I'm salaried with a chemistry degree, working for a pharma company and only make in the 50s per year.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 7:01 am to Martini
quote:
If all illegal immigrants are deported who is going to replace them in the workforce?
For the same wage? Almost no one. They would have to increase the number of work visas awarded each year to compensate!
quote:
No house, hotel would get cleaned.
A lot of the foreign workers you see in hotels are actually here legally. Its a very common job for someone with a work visa to have. Though certainly some hotels do employ quite a bit of illegal labor. I certainly wouldn't assume any hispanic you see cleaning your hotel room to not be here legally (das racis!)
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 7:03 am
Posted on 11/14/14 at 7:01 am to kingbob
quote:
One of the other contractors on site hires a lot of immigrants, especially Guatemalans, Panamanians, and Hondurans. They make less than the Americans (by about $5/hr) but all more than minimum wage (the helpers start at $9/hr), but industrial construction is seeing a labor shortage in the gulf south like never before. Over the next 5 years, there are literally twice as many jobs as skilled craftsmen to work them. It's insane.
I'm okay with a modest guest worker program for skilled labor - the problem is - this population has broken the law, avoided paperwork and taxation for 2 generations - what makes anyone think they're suddenly going to be sticklers for the rules?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 7:03 am to Martini
quote:
If all illegal immigrants are deported who is going to replace them in the workforce?
The millions not working and want to eat.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 7:06 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
I'm okay with a modest guest worker program for skilled labor - the problem is - this population has broken the law, avoided paperwork and taxation for 2 generations - what makes anyone think they're suddenly going to be sticklers for the rules?
Exactly. Our immigration system is completely ludicrous. We need a better system to let in more skilled labor on work visas while keeping track of them, making sure people can't easily get in illegally, and make legal immigration faster and easier. If people want to come here, have skills to support themselves, and are willing to learn the language, why stop them? Honestly, if we didn't have welfare, disability, WIC, SNAP, HUD, Section 8, Medicaid, ect, and a minimum wage, I'd be ok with a completely open border. However, as long as we have benefits that people can and do receive just for being alive, we cannot afford an open border.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 7:24 am to Martini
It would result in higher wages. Until those type of jobs pay more than unemployment the lazies will will sit on their arse.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 7:30 am to dante
Here's something I want reformed:
I don't want to press 2 for "Se habla Espanol."
Learn the shite or GTF home.
I don't want to press 2 for "Se habla Espanol."
Learn the shite or GTF home.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 7:33 am to Martini
quote:
If all illegal immigrants are deported who is going to replace them in the workforce?
Well, if we get rid of welfare at the same time...maybe some of the lazy fricks who get paid to do nothing at all can get off of their asses and fill those jobs!!!
Posted on 11/14/14 at 7:34 am to Martini
Nationalizing illegals will prop up Obamacare enrollment low numbers.
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