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Why wasn't it first and goal in OT?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:13 am
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:13 am
Bama got down to the 1 and then received a unsportsmanlike and pushed back to the 16. Why wasn't it first and goal from the 16?
Sry if this has been discussed and I know let it go but I was just curious when thinking about this yesterday
Sry if this has been discussed and I know let it go but I was just curious when thinking about this yesterday
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:14 am to Miya9145
I don't get why people don't understand this. The play happened after a play that resulted in a first down and it was a dead ball penalty. Once the ball was pushed back outside the 10 it was no longer first and goal.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:14 am to Miya9145
Dead ball foul
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:22 am to PurpleAndGold86
This just shows you the football acumen of most posters. Either they are new fans or just never bothered to learn the rules.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:28 am to Miya9145
I questioned this like a thousand other people. It doesn't make sense but it is the rule.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:30 am to GumboPot
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I questioned this like a thousand other people. It doesn't make sense but it is the rule.
It actually makes perfect sense if you know anything about football. A new set of downs had not yet been established.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:31 am to GumboPot
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It doesn't make sense
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:32 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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This just shows you the football acumen of most posters. Either they are new fans or just never bothered to learn the rules.
This is a new rule circa ~9 years ago and a very esoteric one at that. No need to bust fan's balls. I bet there are dozens of rules In the rule book that you are a bit fuzzy on, no?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:37 am to GumboPot
Yup...newer rule, but I thought it was 4-5 years back...time flies and I'm getting old as shite.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:47 am to GumboPot
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This is a new rule circa ~9 years ago and a very esoteric one at that
Link?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:48 am to PurpleAndGold86
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The play happened after a play that resulted in a first down and it was a dead ball penalty. Once the ball was pushed back outside the 10 it was no longer first and goal.
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I don't get why people don't understand this
Cuz what you said does not make sense.
Run a play. Get First and goal at the 1. Dead ball. Personal foul. 15 yard penalty. Should it not be First and goal at 16. This is what he is asking.
ETA: If this is a new rule just say so. But saying "new set of downs had not been established yet" is bullshite. That's the definition of a dead ball.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 7:51 am
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:57 am to Miya9145
If that play had occurred at the 11 instead of the 1 yard line, no one would think that it should have been 1st and 15 from the 26. A first down was established as a result of the play regardless of where on the field it took place. I will admit I was also confused because I thought 1st and goal also.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:57 am to Pauldean
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ETA: If this is a new rule just say so.
It has been around for at least 5 years IMO. I can't remember when it wasn't the rule
I think the rule change people may be referring to is different and would have made it 1st and 1 from the 16
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 7:59 am
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:07 am to TigerBait1127
A new set of downs is not officially set until the ball is set for play. So no, the new set of downs had not been established yet.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:13 am to SECond2none™
It is in fact the rule and was called correctly. I think there should be a provision if it's 1st and goal, but alas they don't let me make the rules. Is what it is.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:13 am to Pauldean
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Cuz what you said does not make sense.
It makes absolute perfect sense because I am 100% correct.
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Should it not be First and goal at 16. This is what he is asking.
I know exactly what he is asking and I answered the question. No, it definitely should not be first and goal. The refs were right in this instance. It should have been 1st and 10 at the 16 yard line.
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But saying "new set of downs had not been established yet" is bull shite.
No, it isn't.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:28 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
Lol I played D-1 football mr superstar. My left testi probably knows more than you about football but I guess since your wife shut you down again last night you have to come find someone else to bitch at haha. Enjoy your day my man
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:31 am to PurpleAndGold86
I know exactly what he is asking and I answered the question. No, it definitely should not be first and goal. The refs were right in this instance. It should have been 1st and 10 at the 16 yard line.
Giving the team the first and 10 negates the penalty of 15 yds you just gave them.
Essentially what happened is the team got a first down 9 yards closer than the previous play after getting a 15 yd penalty.
We did not stop the first down after that at any rate.
Giving the team the first and 10 negates the penalty of 15 yds you just gave them.
Essentially what happened is the team got a first down 9 yards closer than the previous play after getting a 15 yd penalty.
We did not stop the first down after that at any rate.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 9:35 am
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:34 am to themunch
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Giving the team the first and 10 negates the penalty of 15 yds you just gave them.
How the hell does it negate the penalty? It still pushed them back to the fricking 16 yard line instead of having the ball at the 1 yard line. If a RB busts a 40 yard run on 2nd a 3 that results in a first down and there is a holding 30 yards down the field, it is still going to be first and 10 on the next play. It will be 10 yards from the spot of the foul.
And if you think it negates the penalty yardage, then that's just your opinion and I can't help you there. Maybe take it up with the NCAA rules committee because the refs got the call right. It should have been 1st down and 10 yards to go from the 16 yard line.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:36 am to PurpleAndGold86
1st and goal from the one as opposed to first and goal from the 16. That is a penalty being enforced. How is that different from what the refs gave them?
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