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It's sad how people hate gridlock so much
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:34 am
Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:34 am
Our very constitution set up a government where it would be a long, tedious, and brokered process for a bill to become a law. Our Founders, the prescient people that they were, understood that kneejerk reactions, populist extremism, and demagoguery were dangers to the foundations of republican rule of law and civil society. I only want bills passed that have gone through months, even years, of committee scrutiny.
Aside from all that, on a more abstract level, the anti gridlock folks who lament the lack of new laws coming out of congress reveal themselves as believers in a more nefarious ideology- which has the following beliefs as its pillars:
1) The belief that society is stagnant and not capable of improving without being subjected to coercion.
2) An utter pessimism about civil society and the voluntary existence of communities. Without more laws, these true believers claim, there will be chaos, violence, poverty, death, etc. Not a very positive outlook on your fellow man if you ask me.
Unfortunately, I don't see this ideology going away any time soon. And that is because once a bunch of laws are passed, folks are warped into believing that the problems caused by these new laws can only be fixed by new laws. It's like an endless spiral into a disastrously powerful state. Instead, we should listen to Mr. Sowell's insights:
Aside from all that, on a more abstract level, the anti gridlock folks who lament the lack of new laws coming out of congress reveal themselves as believers in a more nefarious ideology- which has the following beliefs as its pillars:
1) The belief that society is stagnant and not capable of improving without being subjected to coercion.
2) An utter pessimism about civil society and the voluntary existence of communities. Without more laws, these true believers claim, there will be chaos, violence, poverty, death, etc. Not a very positive outlook on your fellow man if you ask me.
Unfortunately, I don't see this ideology going away any time soon. And that is because once a bunch of laws are passed, folks are warped into believing that the problems caused by these new laws can only be fixed by new laws. It's like an endless spiral into a disastrously powerful state. Instead, we should listen to Mr. Sowell's insights:
Posted on 11/9/14 at 5:58 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
brilliant
thanks for a morning smile
thanks for a morning smile
Posted on 11/9/14 at 7:23 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
The problem with half of America is that people believe society is synonymous with government
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:58 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Should have been the first black president.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:40 am to SoulGlo
Yeah , the hypocrisy is thick in politics
Until a law can make as many people happy as possible, there should be gridlock. The ACA was made one-sided so it's not that shocking it's been met with so much resistance. What did Democrats think, people would just sit quietly and take it? They got consumed by power and when the Democrats had control they could've easily still gotten a bill that favored them, but they choose to go all my way or no way with Obamacare. Plus, they abused their position while suppressing many constituents interested in certain districts by keeping votes from coming up in the Senate. The Democrats paid a price for that, and rightfully so. What worries me is there was still 30%-40% voters in some places that supported this stuff.
Until a law can make as many people happy as possible, there should be gridlock. The ACA was made one-sided so it's not that shocking it's been met with so much resistance. What did Democrats think, people would just sit quietly and take it? They got consumed by power and when the Democrats had control they could've easily still gotten a bill that favored them, but they choose to go all my way or no way with Obamacare. Plus, they abused their position while suppressing many constituents interested in certain districts by keeping votes from coming up in the Senate. The Democrats paid a price for that, and rightfully so. What worries me is there was still 30%-40% voters in some places that supported this stuff.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:43 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Every time I hear someone IRL life say "There oughtta be a law about that..." I cringe. We have too many laws.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:46 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
what's sad is that so many think by simply "passing more legislation" it will somehow "fix" what is broken, due to so much bad legislation already passed before it. We don't need "better" legislation we need LESS legislation.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:19 am to Jagd Tiger
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what's sad is that so many think by simply "passing more legislation" it will somehow "fix" what is broken, due to so much bad legislation already passed before it. We don't need "better" legislation we need LESS legislation.
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Behold my display of the 2013 Federal Register. It contains over 80,000 pages of new rules, regulations, and notices all written and passed by unelected bureaucrats. The small stack of papers on top of the display are the laws passed by elected members of Congress and signed into law by the president.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:23 am to Zach
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Every time I hear someone IRL life say "There oughtta be a law about that..." I cringe.
AND then I launch into a rant about how they're a daily criminal from all the laws we already have.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:47 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
'There ought to be a law'
Scary words.
Scary words.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:53 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Gridlock is a fricking cop out. Repeal bad laws. Pass good laws.
frick! Is this hard to understand?
frick! Is this hard to understand?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:58 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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frick! Is this hard to understand?
good and bad are in the eye of the beholder. is this hard to understand?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:38 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
In response to Sowell's quote:
You replace fire with water. You put the damn fire out. You don't let it continue to burn because you can't agree on a better solution. You replace the fire with water, and you move on.
Gridlock is basically the absence of water. There are only two ways to fix bad law - having it thrown out (which leads to legislation by the bench, something most R's speak out against) or passing new law to fix the bad law. Gridlock prevents the new law from being passed.
Gridlock is actually WORSE than no government... gridlock prevents us from fixing the problems government has. Heck, gridlock prevents us from getting government to the correct size.
Here's another parable of gridlock - The IRS says you underpaid your taxes. You can't get the IRS to see that they are incorrect. Since the IRS doesn't believe you, they continue to penalize you more and more. You can't fix it, because gridlock prevents them from being held accountable, it prevents them from receiving the information needed to show you are right.
Here's some other ways to express gridlock:
"Cutting off your nose to spite your face"
"Can't see the forest for the trees"
"Throwing the baby out with the bathwater"
We need to demand, and expect, a small, functional government that efficently performs the required functions of government, and nothing more.
You replace fire with water. You put the damn fire out. You don't let it continue to burn because you can't agree on a better solution. You replace the fire with water, and you move on.
Gridlock is basically the absence of water. There are only two ways to fix bad law - having it thrown out (which leads to legislation by the bench, something most R's speak out against) or passing new law to fix the bad law. Gridlock prevents the new law from being passed.
Gridlock is actually WORSE than no government... gridlock prevents us from fixing the problems government has. Heck, gridlock prevents us from getting government to the correct size.
Here's another parable of gridlock - The IRS says you underpaid your taxes. You can't get the IRS to see that they are incorrect. Since the IRS doesn't believe you, they continue to penalize you more and more. You can't fix it, because gridlock prevents them from being held accountable, it prevents them from receiving the information needed to show you are right.
Here's some other ways to express gridlock:
"Cutting off your nose to spite your face"
"Can't see the forest for the trees"
"Throwing the baby out with the bathwater"
We need to demand, and expect, a small, functional government that efficently performs the required functions of government, and nothing more.
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