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It's sad how people hate gridlock so much

Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:34 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 2:34 am
Our very constitution set up a government where it would be a long, tedious, and brokered process for a bill to become a law. Our Founders, the prescient people that they were, understood that kneejerk reactions, populist extremism, and demagoguery were dangers to the foundations of republican rule of law and civil society. I only want bills passed that have gone through months, even years, of committee scrutiny.

Aside from all that, on a more abstract level, the anti gridlock folks who lament the lack of new laws coming out of congress reveal themselves as believers in a more nefarious ideology- which has the following beliefs as its pillars:

1) The belief that society is stagnant and not capable of improving without being subjected to coercion.

2) An utter pessimism about civil society and the voluntary existence of communities. Without more laws, these true believers claim, there will be chaos, violence, poverty, death, etc. Not a very positive outlook on your fellow man if you ask me.


Unfortunately, I don't see this ideology going away any time soon. And that is because once a bunch of laws are passed, folks are warped into believing that the problems caused by these new laws can only be fixed by new laws. It's like an endless spiral into a disastrously powerful state. Instead, we should listen to Mr. Sowell's insights:





Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29650 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 5:58 am to
brilliant

thanks for a morning smile
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 7:23 am to
The problem with half of America is that people believe society is synonymous with government
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 9:58 am to
quote:






Should have been the first black president.
Posted by SquirrelyBama
Member since Nov 2011
6389 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:40 am to
Yeah , the hypocrisy is thick in politics
Until a law can make as many people happy as possible, there should be gridlock. The ACA was made one-sided so it's not that shocking it's been met with so much resistance. What did Democrats think, people would just sit quietly and take it? They got consumed by power and when the Democrats had control they could've easily still gotten a bill that favored them, but they choose to go all my way or no way with Obamacare. Plus, they abused their position while suppressing many constituents interested in certain districts by keeping votes from coming up in the Senate. The Democrats paid a price for that, and rightfully so. What worries me is there was still 30%-40% voters in some places that supported this stuff.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112414 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:43 am to
Every time I hear someone IRL life say "There oughtta be a law about that..." I cringe. We have too many laws.
Posted by Jagd Tiger
The Kinder, Gentler Jagd
Member since Mar 2014
18139 posts
Posted on 11/9/14 at 10:46 am to

what's sad is that so many think by simply "passing more legislation" it will somehow "fix" what is broken, due to so much bad legislation already passed before it. We don't need "better" legislation we need LESS legislation.



Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10808 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:19 am to
quote:

what's sad is that so many think by simply "passing more legislation" it will somehow "fix" what is broken, due to so much bad legislation already passed before it. We don't need "better" legislation we need LESS legislation.


quote:

Behold my display of the 2013 Federal Register. It contains over 80,000 pages of new rules, regulations, and notices all written and passed by unelected bureaucrats. The small stack of papers on top of the display are the laws passed by elected members of Congress and signed into law by the president.
Posted by son of arlo
State of Innocence
Member since Sep 2013
4577 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:23 am to
quote:

Every time I hear someone IRL life say "There oughtta be a law about that..." I cringe.


AND then I launch into a rant about how they're a daily criminal from all the laws we already have.

Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67686 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:47 am to
'There ought to be a law'

Scary words.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:53 am to
Gridlock is a fricking cop out. Repeal bad laws. Pass good laws.

frick! Is this hard to understand?
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10808 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:58 am to
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frick! Is this hard to understand?

good and bad are in the eye of the beholder. is this hard to understand?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37031 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 9:38 am to
In response to Sowell's quote:

You replace fire with water. You put the damn fire out. You don't let it continue to burn because you can't agree on a better solution. You replace the fire with water, and you move on.

Gridlock is basically the absence of water. There are only two ways to fix bad law - having it thrown out (which leads to legislation by the bench, something most R's speak out against) or passing new law to fix the bad law. Gridlock prevents the new law from being passed.

Gridlock is actually WORSE than no government... gridlock prevents us from fixing the problems government has. Heck, gridlock prevents us from getting government to the correct size.

Here's another parable of gridlock - The IRS says you underpaid your taxes. You can't get the IRS to see that they are incorrect. Since the IRS doesn't believe you, they continue to penalize you more and more. You can't fix it, because gridlock prevents them from being held accountable, it prevents them from receiving the information needed to show you are right.

Here's some other ways to express gridlock:

"Cutting off your nose to spite your face"
"Can't see the forest for the trees"
"Throwing the baby out with the bathwater"

We need to demand, and expect, a small, functional government that efficently performs the required functions of government, and nothing more.
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