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The hate-hate relationship between Obama and Netanyahu

Posted on 11/6/14 at 7:41 pm
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 7:41 pm
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"To Netanyahu, Obama is an ideological alien who accidentally landed control of 21st-century Rome and is neutering its power. But what is driving both the president and the prime minister is the same false premise – in their heart of hearts, both of them believe that Netanyahu is the real leader of the Republican Party."
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68500 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 7:42 pm to
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in their heart of hearts, both of them believe that Netanyahu is the real leader of the Republican Party.
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
31635 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 7:56 pm to
Yeah wtf
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 6:48 am to
Here's a Haaretz article explaining the root of the conflict.

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Why does Bibi’s Americanism outrage American officials? Because it fuels his arrogance. During his time as Israel’s United Nations ambassador in the 1980s, Netanyahu forged deep ties to the American Jewish establishment and to the Republican Party, ties that have only deepened since. These elite bonds, plus Netanyahu’s ability to speak to ordinary Americans in their own idiom (he sprinkles his speeches to U.S. audiences with American cultural references) have convinced him that he can best American presidents on their own turf. As Bibi told settlers in Ofra in a secretly recorded conversation in 2001, “America is something that can be easily maneuvered…I wasn’t afraid to maneuver. I wasn’t afraid to confront Clinton.” When it comes to Bibi’s relations with American presidents, familiarity breeds contempt.

But if Bibi has been alienating American officials since the 1980s, his current tussle with the Obama administration contains a new twist. Bibi hasn’t changed: He’s as arrogant as ever. But the Americans have. In the past, US officials didn’t need to lash out as much verbally because they could make Bibi pay for his defiance. The Obama team can’t.

Think back to late 1980s and early 1990s. Back then, James Baker didn’t only bar Netanyahu from Foggy Bottom after the then-deputy foreign minister tried to scuttle America’s secret talks with the PLO. He and President George H.W. Bush refused to give Netanyahu’s boss, Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, the loan guarantees he wanted to resettle Soviet immigrants absent a halt in settlement growth. Bush and Baker also pushed Shamir to participate in peace talks in Madrid that included Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The result: Shamir’s right-wing government fell; Israel held elections, and Shamir lost to Yitzhak Rabin.

In the late 1990s, the Clinton administration struck back at Bibi even harder. In his memoir, "Innocents Abroad," Martin Indyk writes that in 1999, Bill Clinton “sent” his own political consultants, “Robert Shrum, Stanley Greenberg and James Carville to help get [Ehud] Barak elected
.”

Obama has never been able to retaliate against Bibi that way. His unpopularity in Israel has limited his ability to play politics there. More importantly, the collapse of the Israeli center-left has left the White House without a credible Barak-like challenger to get behind. As a result, Netanyahu has felt free to boost Obama’s domestic opponents without Obama being able to do the same.

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Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73434 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 6:51 am to
Your fixation with Jews rivals Toddy's Gay rights sobbing posts.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 6:57 am to
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Your fixation with Jews rivals Toddy's Gay rights sobbing posts.

The obsession is all in your feeble mind. I never made any mention of Jews, and only posted the link to an article in a thread started by someone else. You need to have a shrink look at your paranoia issues.
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 7:00 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125401 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 7:00 am to
They both suck
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73434 posts
Posted on 11/7/14 at 7:01 am to
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