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re: Obama could go out an a high note if he wanted
Posted on 10/31/14 at 1:53 pm to UGATiger26
Posted on 10/31/14 at 1:53 pm to UGATiger26
2. Spend two years bitching and moaning like a petulant child about how congress is irresponsible and refusing to present bills that he is willing to sign.
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Posted on 10/31/14 at 2:57 pm to UGATiger26
Sure. If he gets his balls cut off .
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:10 pm to Pettifogger
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To which part?
The revered part.
I know of nobody (NOBODY) who thinks LBJ was good for the country.
Gulf of Tonken anyone?
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:14 pm to FT
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do-nothing congress
I freaking love this term considering Harry Reid has a pile of bills as high as the empire state building on his desk that he refuses to bring up for a vote.
Seriously man, turn off network news. It's making you look like a fool.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:14 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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The revered part.
I know of nobody (NOBODY) who thinks LBJ was good for the country.
Gulf of Tonken anyone?
Then you missed the whole "war on poverty" retrospective that just recently happened.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:15 pm to UGATiger26
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1. Leave his pride at the door and realize that R's took congress for a reason. The people of the U.S. voted them there. He can actually realize that being the president doesn't always mean "my way or the highway" and work with R's to act on important issues.
this presumes that republicans want to do anything. If they send him reasonable stuff, he will sign it IMHO.
I think they don't want to do that since they would then have to give him credit. And they would rather rip their eyeballs out than to give him anything that remotely resembles praise.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:16 pm to Hawkeye95
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this presumes that republicans want to do anything
House republicans have passed bills in the house.
Harry 'Nascar' Reid refuses to bring anything up for a vote in the Senate.
Get informed.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:18 pm to UGATiger26
Obama has never and will never work with republicans in good faith. He's burned those bridges and will never repair them.
The Bushes and Clinton all had occasional support across the isle and were capable of working with people with whom they disagreed.
Obama's unwillingness or inability to compromise to achieve an important goal is what makes him a shitty leader and a terrible president.
The Bushes and Clinton all had occasional support across the isle and were capable of working with people with whom they disagreed.
Obama's unwillingness or inability to compromise to achieve an important goal is what makes him a shitty leader and a terrible president.
This post was edited on 10/31/14 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:22 pm to UGATiger26
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1. Leave his pride at the door and realize that R's took congress for a reason. The people of the U.S. voted them there. He can actually realize that being the president doesn't always mean "my way or the highway" and work with R's to act on important issues.
Uhhhh you do realize that Republicans got together before and after he was elected and collectively decided to be opposed to anything and everything the President was for right?
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Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:25 pm to Circle K Beggar
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House republicans have passed bills in the house.
Harry 'Nascar' Reid refuses to bring anything up for a vote in the Senate.
Get informed.
This is immaterial to what happens in the future. The republicans do not want to give Obama credit for anything. They won't send anything to his desk he might sign outside of required bills.
The shite that lands on his desk in the next two years will be shite like the ryan budget, repeal obamacare or other things there is no chance obama will sign.
But if the republicans were to give him immigration reform I bet he would sign it. I bet he would sign tax code reform. Some sort of long range debt deal, I bet he signs it.
He worries more about his place in history than any president in recent memory and knows he has shite in his 2nd term.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:33 pm to Hawkeye95
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The republicans do not want to give Obama credit for anything.
I don't think this true but for argument's sake, why would they after he's called them out in pretty much every speech for the last 6 years?
The mentally weakest and most divisive President this country has seen bar none, but hey, at least he gets you Iowans free ethanol, right???
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:42 pm to Circle K Beggar
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I don't think this true but for argument's sake
based on what I see this is very true. I think the president was game to deal on multiple issues in the last few years but congressional republicans didn't want to.
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why would they after he's called them out in pretty much every speech for the last 6 years?
so what you are saying is you think the republicans should be petty b.c their feelings got hurt. Mkay.
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The mentally weakest and most divisive President this country has seen bar none, but hey, at least he gets you Iowans free ethanol, right???
I would disagre with the mentally weakest. I am pretty sure we have multiple presidents that were less intelligent and more divisive.
And I do not support corn subsidies.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:46 pm to Hawkeye95
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Hawkeye95
you're an Obama-bot and there's no changing your mind. I presented you with facts, but you just put your fingers in your ears and say "Nah-uh."
Go drool over your 'HOPE' poster some more.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 3:49 pm to Circle K Beggar
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I presented you with facts,
i don't see a single fact in your post. Just conjecture.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:04 pm to Hawkeye95
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This is immaterial to what happens in the future. The republicans do not want to give Obama credit for anything. They won't send anything to his desk he might sign outside of required bills.
The shite that lands on his desk in the next two years will be shite like the ryan budget, repeal obamacare or other things there is no chance obama will sign.
But if the republicans were to give him immigration reform I bet he would sign it. I bet he would sign tax code reform. Some sort of long range debt deal, I bet he signs it.
He worries more about his place in history than any president in recent memory and knows he has shite in his 2nd term.
Agree with your general point that Repubs won't want to work with him either.
But, he "might" sign stuff that he finds reasonable approach is exactly the problem. It isn't the republican's job to send him stuff he agrees with. It's both of their jobs to find middle ground.
Both of them have said "screw it" but Obama is (or will be come Nov 4th) the loser in that fight. Repubs have no incentive to work with him. They can just send him wedge issue after wedge issue.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:07 pm to Pettifogger
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Wait until Presidential historians get a hold of his legacy, he'll be top 10
This. First black president can't be remembered as a failure.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:13 pm to BigJim
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But, he "might" sign stuff that he finds reasonable approach is exactly the problem. It isn't the republican's job to send him stuff he agrees with. It's both of their jobs to find middle ground.
I dont think obama has done a good job of working with congressional republicans, but if they want legislation to be passed they have to send him something he will sign or over-ride the veto.
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Both of them have said "screw it" but Obama is (or will be come Nov 4th) the loser in that fight. Repubs have no incentive to work with him. They can just send him wedge issue after wedge issue.
i actually think republicans will have the problem come 2016, specifically the republican nominee.
Can you imagine HRC in a debate?
* Would you have signed the paul ryan budget that republicans sent to obama in 2015?
* Would you have signed the creationist bill mandating that creationism be given equal time in schools?
* would you have signed the ban the EPA bill?
These are just hypotheticals. But you get the drift. I think this plays very well in a presidential year.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 4:53 pm to Hawkeye95
Petitfogger, do you just make stuff up to get angry about. Did you read something on Drudge or did one of the Fox bimbos do a story about some obscure professor who had LBJ in his top 5? That is what is wrong with the national conversation these days. The right wing just makes some shite up and blabs about half truths for a couple of months and all of their lazy pals and listeners just accept it as fact. Are if the facts from a neutral source are not to your liking you just make up your own. I mean what happened to the soldier who Obama made the swap for? There were more bs with that story. Nobody in the Obama administration was trying to make a hero of this guy - just not leaving him "behind". People wanted to impeach the President over that issue. Where is that story now. There isn't a story which is as it should be. The guy's dad had a beard that was more groomed that those coon asses on that moronic reality tv show but it made him a muslim or a muslim sympathizer. It's just sad. The guys got historic legislation passed that Kennedy probably never could have. That legislation changed many American lives in a very real way. Sociopath? Hell, anyone that wants to President might be.
This post was edited on 10/31/14 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 10/31/14 at 5:36 pm to UGATiger26
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2. Spend two years bitching and moaning like a petulant child about how congress is irresponsible and refusing to present bills that he is willing to sign.
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I believe people can change.
I do too, but almost 6 years of evidence and his voting record from the Senate tells me that he has no intention of changing.
Posted on 10/31/14 at 5:44 pm to Pettifogger
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Wait until Presidential historians get a hold of his legacy, he'll be top 10.
LBJ was widely considered an abysmal failure during my childhood, and now he's borderline revered, despite being a horrific leader and a sociopath.
Same thing with Jimmy Carter. I've had people try and argue that he was a better president than Reagan
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