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re: Boardwalk Empire Series Finale (Season 5, Ep 8 "Eldorado")
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:13 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:13 pm to Byron Bojangles III
I meant in reference to the time period. Both were horrible places but for some reason it seems in asylums it was ok to experiment on the patients.
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:16 pm to SoDakHawk
I feel bad for Gillian. She never really had a chance to be normal.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:42 pm to JBeam
Nope. Young gillian was cute, I would have asked her to 8th grade prom.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:44 pm to Cosmo
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:59 pm to damnedoldtigah
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I am currently reading the book on Enoch Johnson and Atlantic City
Johnson's and Thompson's lives (and deaths) had alot of variances. The writers wanted freedom with the story so Johnson was an inspiration but was never believed to have killed anyone, or order anyone killed nor was he believed to actually own any sort of bottling operation.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 5:39 pm to Cosmo
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Young gillian was cute, I would have asked her to 8th grade prom.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:01 am to Cosmo
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Gillian was completely out of it when Nucky talked to her.
I think when she wrote the letter to Nucky, it was her last hope. She talked to the nutbag doc and he said "how can we ever know if you're cured" or something like that and said something about cutting it out of her. By the time Nucky ever came to see her, she was deflated as the doc had operated on her, she had given up. And she was likely on painkillers or some other dope, so that's why she was "dumbed down". But her story and question about the ladybug was very appropriate.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 5:03 am
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:30 am to Sho Nuff
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I think when she wrote the letter to Nucky, it was her last hope. She talked to the nutbag doc and he said "how can we ever know if you're cured" or something like that and said something about cutting it out of her. By the time Nucky ever came to see her, she was deflated as the doc had operated on her, she had given up. And she was likely on painkillers or some other dope, so that's why she was "dumbed down". But her story and question about the ladybug was very appropriate.
The "old" Gillian storyline almost could have been deleted. We got to actually see how young Gillian put her trust in Nucky and then was handed over to the commodore (even though we already knew this through her dialogue).
I wish they would have used more of the flashbacks to show how Nucky took power from the Commodore. Seeing the young deputy Thompson flashback made it seem like the Commodore didn't think much of Nucky. What happened?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:42 am to BluegrassBelle
Finally got around to watching it last night. One of the best series finales I've seen.
I really liked the way they wrapped things up with Capone awaiting trail, Luciano & Lansky forming the Syndicate. Nucky using insider trading to make a new fortune and taking care of those he cares most for Eli, Margret and even Gillian. Then bang! Darmody out of nowhere! I really didn't see that coming.
Sad to see the show go and it most certainly could have gone another couple of seasons but as they said in the final shot special. Leave while they're wanting more seems to be the rule in showbiz.
I really liked the way they wrapped things up with Capone awaiting trail, Luciano & Lansky forming the Syndicate. Nucky using insider trading to make a new fortune and taking care of those he cares most for Eli, Margret and even Gillian. Then bang! Darmody out of nowhere! I really didn't see that coming.
Sad to see the show go and it most certainly could have gone another couple of seasons but as they said in the final shot special. Leave while they're wanting more seems to be the rule in showbiz.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:26 pm to Byron Bojangles III
It depends upon the asylum. Can't get into particulars due to my job, but I have had several folks who indicated they had rather been in jail instead of going to certain hospitals.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:25 pm to damnedoldtigah
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It depends upon the asylum. Can't get into particulars due to my job, but I have had several folks who indicated they had rather been in jail instead of going to certain hospitals
Are people that are criminally insane in the same hospitals as those who didn't commit crimes?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 3:37 pm to jchamil
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quote: It depends upon the asylum. Can't get into particulars due to my job, but I have had several folks who indicated they had rather been in jail instead of going to certain hospitals Are people that are criminally insane in the same hospitals as those who didn't commit crimes?
it really depends on how dangerous they are and the amount of supervision they require. A non-criminal patient could be just as dangerous as one that has been deemed to be judicially insane.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 6:05 pm to JBeam
quote:Yeah, but that doesn't make it OK that she murdered that guy.
I feel bad for Gillian. She never really had a chance to be normal.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 6:12 pm to johnnydrama
That and the whole fricking her son thing.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 6:27 pm to JBeam
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I feel bad for Gillian. She never really had a chance to be normal.
I feel bad for a life wasted. Not necessarily for her though. She's done some horrible, awful shite on the show. Which is why I didn't have any issue with Nucky not exactly swooping in to be her savior.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:30 pm to LSUfan4444
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Johnson's and Thompson's lives (and deaths) had alot of variances
Indeed. However, the series was based on a chapter from the book, so I decided to order the book. While there were artistic variances, there were also a lot of consistencies. It's been interesting to learn which was which.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:35 pm to jchamil
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Are people that are criminally insane in the same hospitals as those who didn't commit crimes?
Sometimes. It depends upon the state. Louisiana segregated those in many instances from the regular population. It really depends upon the person, the crime, and how much of a management problem they are.
Even some of the jails will segregate "criminally insane" from regular population if the rest of the inmates are scared of the person or if there is reason to believe that the general population will take advantage of the person.
Note that "insane" is not a clinical term. It is strictly a legal term.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:38 pm to DivotBreath
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A non-criminal patient could be just as dangerous as one that has been deemed to be judicially insane.
Quite true and have seen it. Had one of my physicians stabbed in the back of their neck by a "non-criminal" patient several years ago. Poor guy was never the same again after that and eventually went to work for another hospital. Hated to lose him as he was one of my better psychiatrists.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:40 pm to Cosmo
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the whole fricking her son thing.
That was way too fricking creepy.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:47 pm to SoDakHawk
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I meant in reference to the time period. Both were horrible places but for some reason it seems in asylums it was ok to experiment on the patients.
At least the public hospitals got away from that image. I will be retiring in a bit, and my personal frustration was my inability to change the mental hospital culture. We need the hospitals. But we need to move from an asylum model to a rehabilitation/active treatment model. People will talk the talk, but getting them to walk it is another thing. We need to remember that those folks admitted as patients are still human beings and deserve at least that instead of staff hollering at them all the time and herding them like cattle. I don't know about others, but I sure as hell wouldn't handle being hollered at all the time. I always tried to preach the ideology that we needed to do what we could to help the person eventually leave the hospital in better shape than when they landed on our doorstep. For awhile I had a crew that was on board with that approach, but they got wiped out due to layoffs favoring seniority instead of performance. But for a bit, we tried.
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