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re: 3100 students at UNC involved in academic fraud
Posted on 10/22/14 at 8:01 pm to semotruman
Posted on 10/22/14 at 8:01 pm to semotruman
I took a class at LSU with Charles Scott and drake Nevis. Charles was hardly ever there but Drake was always sitting in the front row taking notes.
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Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:04 pm to boXerrumble
Well color me shocked. Pastel that is.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:06 pm to Kritten
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At least nine university employees were fired or under disciplinary review, and the question now becomes what, if anything, the NCAA will do next. Penalties could range from fewer scholarships to vacated wins.
Most of the athletes were football players or members of the school's cherished basketball program, which won three of its five national titles during the scandal (1993, 2005, 2009).
LINK
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:15 pm to boXerrumble
People on this site better be careful throwing stones...glass houses and all.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:23 pm to Kel Varnsen
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I took a class at LSU with Charles Scott and drake Nevis. Charles was hardly ever there but Drake was always sitting in the front row taking notes.
I had classes with most football players at LSU for my first 2 years. When they did show up, they just fricked around. i witnessed them handing typed test answers around between classes in the cox building.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:30 pm to Dire Wolf
Quote: LSU has people that check
I have no way of knowing if this is true, but my understanding is FB players have to attend class and turn in the work. They get all kinds of help with tutoring and breaks with grading, but if they don't attend class and turn in assignments the profs/instructors flat out fail them.
I have no way of knowing if this is true, but my understanding is FB players have to attend class and turn in the work. They get all kinds of help with tutoring and breaks with grading, but if they don't attend class and turn in assignments the profs/instructors flat out fail them.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:50 pm to theunknownknight
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People on this site better be careful throwing stones...glass houses and all.
Do you have any experience with UNC fans?
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:36 pm to boXerrumble
The report is a surprisingly interesting and, at times, fun read. Here are a couple of sections that made me laugh out loud.
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Another fraternity brother (“Fraternity Member #2”) told us that he also had Crowder place him in paper classes, and explained that he took them as an easy way to fulfill Chapel Hill’s curricular Perspective requirements. Both fraternity members explained that they saw these classes as somewhat of a “loophole” in Chapel Hill’s otherwise demanding curriculum, and they never conceived of these classes as being in any way tailored to athletes. In fact, they recalled that a number of their non-athlete fraternity members took so many AFAM classes that they inadvertently ended up with AFAM minors by the time they graduated.
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Over the course of ten years, there were 729 enrollments in the paper classes by members of fraternities (and some sorority sisters).
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Mutima’s frustration was not without cause. At one point, the behavior of student-athletes in his Swahili 3 course was so unruly that the ASPSA tutor, Susy Dirr, wrote about it in an email to her supervisors. In a letter attached to her email, Dirr wrote, “Their behavior is so rude and juvenile that from across the room I was trying to get them to shut up.” Later in the letter, Dirr noted that one student-athlete had learned so little in his two-plus semesters of Mutima’s Swahili instruction that he could not even say the word “hello” in Swahili.
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Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:39 pm to boXerrumble
Classes can only have a certain percentage of athletes so this was an athletic department scam but needed help from the general student body
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:45 pm to JETigER
Agreed. People are paying attention to the raw numbers but close to half of these spaces were taken up by athletes while athletes compose, what?, 5 percent of the student body.
This was clearly designed to keep athletes eligible but if you don't let the non athlete slackers get a taste, the whistle would have been blown in the mid nineties.
This was clearly designed to keep athletes eligible but if you don't let the non athlete slackers get a taste, the whistle would have been blown in the mid nineties.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:58 pm to MikeyFL
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Dirr noted that one student-athlete had learned so little in his two-plus semesters of Mutima’s Swahili instruction that he could not even say the word “hello” in Swahili.
And he would be no more useful to society if he spoke Swahili fluently. If you're going to let athletes take worthless majors, then I don't really see the outrage in giving them super easy classes in those majors. Now if they were giving out phony engineering, science, or business degrees, then I'd see the issue.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 7:20 am to thesoccerfanjax
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Do you have any experience with UNC fans?
This. Always talking about how they're "too good" for the SEC and not cheaters.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:18 am to E12IC
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Nice to see that school get caught. Bunch of elitist.
UNC was one of the schools that didn't want us in the ACC b/c of academics
Posted on 10/23/14 at 8:59 am to MikeyFL
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In fact, they recalled that a number of their non-athlete fraternity members took so many AFAM classes that they inadvertently ended up with AFAM minors by the time they graduated.
TFM
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:04 am to Wally Sparks
One of the reasons I'm so interested in what the NCAA does in this case is because of the DRose situation at Memphis.
The Memphis coaches were found not guilty of doing anything wrong. HOWEVER, Memphis had all of their wins stripped because the NCAA "found" that Rose was ineligible according to their standards, and as such Memphis was held liable for allowing an "ineligible" player to play.
So, in this case, EVEN IF the UNC coaches had ZERO knowledge about any of this (which is fricking impossible), UNC should be held liable for allowing these athletes to play IMO.
If nothing happens to UNC, the NCAA should be shut down.
The Memphis coaches were found not guilty of doing anything wrong. HOWEVER, Memphis had all of their wins stripped because the NCAA "found" that Rose was ineligible according to their standards, and as such Memphis was held liable for allowing an "ineligible" player to play.
So, in this case, EVEN IF the UNC coaches had ZERO knowledge about any of this (which is fricking impossible), UNC should be held liable for allowing these athletes to play IMO.
If nothing happens to UNC, the NCAA should be shut down.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:05 am to Korin
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Do you have any experience with UNC fans?
Classic quote from UNC fan... "We struggled this year only bc we turned down some top recruits for academic reasons."
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:18 am to boXerrumble
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One of the reasons I'm so interested in what the NCAA does in this case is because of the DRose situation at Memphis.
The Memphis coaches were found not guilty of doing anything wrong. HOWEVER, Memphis had all of their wins stripped because the NCAA "found" that Rose was ineligible according to their standards, and as such Memphis was held liable for allowing an "ineligible" player to play.
So, in this case, EVEN IF the UNC coaches had ZERO knowledge about any of this (which is fricking impossible), UNC should be held liable for allowing these athletes to play IMO.
If nothing happens to UNC, the NCAA should be shut down.
Unfortunately, I doubt that anything will happen.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:11 am to Korin
This is the definition of "lack of institutional control". If they don't throw the book at UNC, the NCAA is a farce.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:14 am to Korin
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Unfortunately, I doubt that anything will happen.
Sadly, I agree.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 3:09 pm to boXerrumble
Yet... unc has better academics than most SEC schools... a Unc grad will make more money and be ur boss.. This thread smells of jealousy.
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