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re: Did anyone catch the Jon Stewart and Oreilly debate on white privilege?

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Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:49 pm to
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The concern I have when I hear anecdotes like yours or 'strongsafety's' is how do you filter life's normal setbacks/conflicts, from those with a racial basis. Is everything racial? Is anything racial.

Thats a good point NC, and I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Like I always say, I've lived a pretty damn good life so far, and relatively free of any major "setbacks/conflicts." Were there a couple of times where I felt] I was "discriminated" against due to my skin tone (being asked to show ID while walking on campus, etc), sure. Is it possible my race had nothing to do with these instances? Sure. Short of a person calling me the n-word, saying he hates blacks, etc is there anyway to be 100% certain race played into a particular situation? No, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen to some people some times.

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orget color and analyse culpability. Do you have some culpability? If so own it, fix it, and move on. Set presumptions of race aside, and solve the problem for yourself independent of race.

I agree with this as well. I can only control what I can control. No earrings. Pants pulled all the way up. No baggy clothing. No slang. Nothing that could evoke some of the negative images often linked to black Americans in today's popular media. Anybody who is black but engages in any of those behaviors must first address his own decisions before blaming racism if/when he gets himself into a pickle.
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All that is more generally directed advice, than to you in specific. One doesn't achieve what you have without possessing a strong sense as to how to persevere. Certainly, you've been there; done that.

Yep, I'm still dodging the haters every day just like my pops taught me, NC
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Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:51 pm to
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Hell yes you do! ESPECIALLY if you have a name that is not "white". If you are a black kid with a name in med school like Barkevious and you get arrested for DUI you are frickED! If you are a jewish kid named Ira in med school and you get a DUI its no big deal and THAT is the analogy John Stewart should have used.


You are one of the strongest proponents of white privilege on this board
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:52 pm to
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According the the book the Bell Curve, and most other studies,


List them.

Be honest, all you know is the Bell Curve, and you just threw in that "most other studies" to make it seem as if you researched the subject. You haven't. You are not fooling me or anyone else here.
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Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:59 pm to
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kid with a name in med school like Barkevious and you get arrested for DUI you are frickED! If you are a jewish kid named Ira in med school and you get a DUI its no big deal
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MOST people are signing up for insurance at work and have to pick a doctor would they pick Ira or Barkevious?
So is it safe to assume your DUI example was a fail, and you chose to move on? Good choice!

If that is where we are, and now we are discussing "most people" and their choice of a physician based on name only, fine. As I've already said, people tend to gravitate to the "not unusual" when it comes to docs. Two choices of first name (based on N.O. mayors): Moon vs Ray. Who's going to see "Moon"? Not many if name is their criterion. Nothing racial about it.
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:03 pm to
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" to make it seem as if you researched the subject. You haven't


I probably should't say it on a public forum but I obsess over researching that subject! I have literally spent thousands and thousands of hours researching race.
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:05 pm to
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So is it safe to assume your DUI example was a fail, and you chose to move on? Good choice!



Yes I moved on to make an even better example but my first was also perfect.

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If that is where we are, and now we are discussing "most people" and their choice of a physician based on name only, fine. As I've already said, people tend to gravitate to the "not unusual" when it comes to docs. Two choices of first name (based on N.O. mayors): Moon vs Ray. Who's going to see "Moon"? Not many if name is their criterion. Nothing racial about it.



Keep telling yourself that. Oh ya, and according to you Ebola is a huge problem. Your opinion is totally valid!
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:07 pm to
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still dodging the haters every day just like my pops taught me
Quick as a cat, I'll bet.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:10 pm to
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or do OOWB's cause poverty?

they do
Posted by BuckyBadger
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:10 pm to
Awesome. 18 pages in and the gang still can't admit wp exists.

I will give credit to SFP. He has mastered the art of denial.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:12 pm to
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I moved on to make an even better example but my first was also perfect
"Perfect" is the example of logic (or lack thereof) in that quote. Kind of an infinity +1 premise.
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:14 pm to
It was perfect for people who think logically, the second was better for people who do not!
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:16 pm to
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or do OOWB's cause poverty?

they do
Insofar as ignorance and poverty are connected, poverty is contributory to OOWB's too, though not to the same extent IMO. But it's a vicious catch-22.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:19 pm to
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I probably should't say it on a public forum but I obsess over researching that subject! I have literally spent thousands and thousands of hours researching race.


1) You are race-obsessed

2) Link the studies you have so meticulously reviewed to come up with your conclusion.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:19 pm to
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and the gang still can't admit wp exists
wp? Wisconsinite Privilege, BB?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:20 pm to
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Link the studies you have so meticulously reviewed to come up with your conclusion.
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:27 pm to
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2) Link the studies you have so meticulously reviewed to come up with your conclusion.



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Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:31 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:36 pm to
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lsu480
Unless you authored the Wikipedia Piece you just cut-and-pasted those sources from, you and your "thousands" of hours of research just took a sharp turn toward 'foolish'.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:37 pm to
Wait a minute, did you just copy and paste the references on the Race and Intelligence wikipedia page?! What a top notch researcher you are! Please tell me you've just been trolling, I'll accept that. Pretty please, it'll slightly restore my faith in this board.

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