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My thoughts on Fury (Spoilers)
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:37 am
Posted on 10/18/14 at 4:37 am
I know there are a couple of threads concerning this movie already, but I wanted to rant in my own thread about this film. Ultimately, Fury's greatest weakness are the characters themselves. Why? Because the characters are some of the biggest pieces of crap I have ever encountered in a motion picture. Of the five main characters, only Logan Lerman's Norman Ellison is even remotely likable. I especially hated Jon Bernthal's Grady Travis. When his character met his fate, I really didn't care. The dude had been a douche to the main protagonist for the entire movie. Even Brad Pitt's Wardaddy is without innocence due to the scene where he has Lerman's character defile his moral code by forcing him to shoot an unarmed POW. While I think all five men did an outstanding job with their characters, the characters themselves were all a bunch of assholes.
The film featured an amazing soundtrack from Steven Price (really loved the dark, German choir) as well as some pretty amazing action scenes. I have no doubt Fury will be nominated for Oscars in the Sound Editing, Sound Mixing, Film Editing, and Original Score categories. But that's all this movie is in the end, however. A technical triumph. The writers of this film really made it hard for me to like the characters because none of them were particularly sympathetic or likable.
Final Grade: B-
The film featured an amazing soundtrack from Steven Price (really loved the dark, German choir) as well as some pretty amazing action scenes. I have no doubt Fury will be nominated for Oscars in the Sound Editing, Sound Mixing, Film Editing, and Original Score categories. But that's all this movie is in the end, however. A technical triumph. The writers of this film really made it hard for me to like the characters because none of them were particularly sympathetic or likable.
Final Grade: B-
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Posted on 10/18/14 at 9:58 am to RollTide1987
The movie was meant to portray the depravity of war IMO. We've all seen countless movies where nice, likable men go to war; this was meant to show a different (yet, no less real) side.
I actually was sympathetic to the characters. Throughout the movie (and during the dinner scene, in particular), I could almost feel the pain and suffering they had endured. Unimaginable horrors. It had changed them and hardened them, but also united them. That's something else the movie portrayed - the brotherhood and camaraderie of the soldiers. In that way also, I really sympathized with the characters.
I actually was sympathetic to the characters. Throughout the movie (and during the dinner scene, in particular), I could almost feel the pain and suffering they had endured. Unimaginable horrors. It had changed them and hardened them, but also united them. That's something else the movie portrayed - the brotherhood and camaraderie of the soldiers. In that way also, I really sympathized with the characters.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:38 am to RollTide1987
Last time I checked armies in war aren't filled with nice Christian boys who don't curse and don't want to hurt anybody.
The crew in the tank was realistic. I'm sorry if you thought they were mean and it ruined this feel good story for you.
The crew in the tank was realistic. I'm sorry if you thought they were mean and it ruined this feel good story for you.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 10:39 am to RollTide1987
You do realize this was WWII right?
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:12 am to Dr. Shultz
quote:In fairness, I did think to myself that they probably didn't say "frick" that much in the 1940s. But I could be wrong.
who don't curse
Posted on 10/18/14 at 11:41 am to Patrick_Bateman
They did. FUBAR, SNAFU were invented during WW2.
Fubar- fricked up beyond all recognition
Snafu- situation normal, all fricked up
Also, the soldiers had a crassness about them. In ww2 and ww1 that would shock people. I was listening to a book about ww1 and they talked about how when a soldier died, they would make fun of the guy even when he was their friend and about how if a guy was blown to pieces, when they were picking up his body parts, they'd be like "he had a fat arse over her, oh, look at his pretty boy hands , never did a hard days work in his life etc." coping mechanisms.
Fubar- fricked up beyond all recognition
Snafu- situation normal, all fricked up
Also, the soldiers had a crassness about them. In ww2 and ww1 that would shock people. I was listening to a book about ww1 and they talked about how when a soldier died, they would make fun of the guy even when he was their friend and about how if a guy was blown to pieces, when they were picking up his body parts, they'd be like "he had a fat arse over her, oh, look at his pretty boy hands , never did a hard days work in his life etc." coping mechanisms.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 12:20 pm to athenslife101
quote:I never knew.
Fubar- fricked up beyond all recognition
Snafu- situation normal, all fricked up
Posted on 10/18/14 at 2:13 pm to Patrick_Bateman
While I understand that war does terrible things to men, I don't think that this was a representation of any large portion of the U.S. troops in WWII. I doubt that many of us believe that the members of our families that served were psychotic near-rapists. I know that atrocities happened, my grandfather was in France in WWI and always said that the Americans treated the locals' property way worse than the Germans had.
I'd think that Band of Brothers and Private Ryan are better representations of the majority of the combat troops. Those men resemble the men that I grew up with that served in Europe and the Pacific.
With all of that said, this was an interesting and moving film, but I couldn't have cared less for the characters played by Peña and Bernthal. It is what it is, but I had more sympathy for most of the Germans shown than for those two guys. The deaths of those two only mattered to me because they it lessened the safety of the characters that I did care about.
I'd think that Band of Brothers and Private Ryan are better representations of the majority of the combat troops. Those men resemble the men that I grew up with that served in Europe and the Pacific.
With all of that said, this was an interesting and moving film, but I couldn't have cared less for the characters played by Peña and Bernthal. It is what it is, but I had more sympathy for most of the Germans shown than for those two guys. The deaths of those two only mattered to me because they it lessened the safety of the characters that I did care about.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 2:36 pm to Dr. Shultz
quote:
The crew in the tank was realistic.
That doesn't change the fact that the characters weren't likable. Pvt. Reiben was really the only dick in Saving Private Ryan, but when he lost his cool you could at least understand where he was coming from and clearly see his motivations. You sympathized with his point of view. You do know such thing with Bernthal's character. At least Pena's character injected some humor into his personality ("I'm just drunk. I'm sorry.").
This post was edited on 10/18/14 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 10/18/14 at 2:39 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:My point is, it wasn't meant to represent the majority of US troops. We have 100 other movies that do that. This movie represents a different group.
While I understand that war does terrible things to men, I don't think that this was a representation of any large portion of the U.S. troops in WWII.
quote:No doubt.
I'd think that Band of Brothers and Private Ryan are better representations of the majority of the combat troops.
quote:Peña's character had no place in the movie (no fault of his own), but I thought Bernthal played his part very well.
I couldn't have cared less for the characters played by Peña and Bernthal.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 2:45 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I haven't seen fury so I can't comment on it. I do think bob and pacific were realistic, they were a little Hollywood. My grandfather told me stories and i remember they were all darkly comic about his ww2 experiences.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 2:45 pm to RollTide1987
quote:I realize not everyone will agree with me - nor should they - but I had a strange affection for Bernthal's character. A man who had lost all sense of morality through the tortures that war had inflicted on him. The whole tank crew, to various degrees, were hardened in the same way. "Wait till you see it, what a man can do to another man," they told the noob. It all serves to highlight the sad reality that war changes men in terrible ways.
Bernthal's character
Posted on 10/18/14 at 2:51 pm to Patrick_Bateman
quote:
"Wait till you see it, what a man can do to another man," they told the noob. It all serves to highlight the sad reality that war changes men in terrible ways.
That's all well and good, but when you are making a movie you want to be able to have characters the audience can like and relate to. That's movie making 101. I realize war does horrible things to people. We all do. But if you can't inject a little humanity into your characters every now and then I will never care what happens to them.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 2:59 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Says who? Could you not like and relate to LaBeouf's, Lerman's, Pena's, and Pitt's characters?
when you are making a movie you want to be able to have characters the audience can like and relate to.
quote:There were MANY times when humanity was injected into the characters IMO. The most powerful one being the story told at the dinner.
But if you can't inject a little humanity into your characters every now and then
Posted on 10/18/14 at 3:09 pm to Patrick_Bateman
quote:
Could you not like and relate to LaBeouf's, Lerman's, Pena's, and Pitt's characters?
Wardaddy and Norman were the only two characters I even remotely cared about - and it wasn't until the end when I started caring about Wardaddy because of how heroically he was defending his tank.
quote:
The most powerful one being the story told at the dinner.
Which was told to annoy Pitt's character. Pena was being a dick when he was telling that story.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:25 am to RollTide1987
quote:
the characters themselves were all a bunch of assholes.
couldn't agree more. can't get behind characters who suck. i give it a c plus. the first tank battle was awesome. ending was terrible
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 12:26 am
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