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Posted on 10/15/14 at 9:03 pm to FalseProphet
You have said the most absurd things (such as, anything spoken to a group of people is considered public) in this thread, and are straw-manning all over the place 
Posted on 10/15/14 at 9:11 pm to genro
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The section I quoted is practically verbatim what I have said ad nauseum throughout this thread regarding intimidation. And at a certain point several posters were telling me I was wrong on that simply because I wasn't a lawyer. So I was enjoying that. DWI
I enjoyed it as well.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 10:11 pm to genro
He's stating that if the sermon isn't relevant then it should be quashed. What he actually submits is that the subpoena does not raise a first amendment issue but that may be overbroad in some respects. If the sermon did contain specifics as to the signatures petitions he believes it would be discoverable. Do sermons aren't off limits should the contain relevant information. That would be determined at the motion hearing.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 10:31 pm to cwill
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Such demands create a feeling of surveillance that may indeed deter or dampen some kinds of religious speech. And while such deterrence or dampening is constitutional when relevant information is subpoenaed (just as it’s constitutional as to subpoenas related to editorial meetings and tenure reviews), it should be avoided and minimized in cases where the subpoenaed information is entirely or largely legally irrelevant.
Once more for God and country.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 10:41 pm to the808bass
Clearly you've missed the point many have tried to make and volokh has made that it all comes down to relevance. You and genro have dismissed it out of hand and argued it violates the first - volokh's commentary in no way supports that position. But keep digging, you may have been to China and are on your way back now. GLTY.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 11:53 pm to TK421
quote:I miss real Liberals.
Liberals used to value the first amendment.
No way I'm reading 21 pages of this thread. No need. Parker's goon squad needs to be stopped. It's indefensible.
Would have never though Houston was better off with Lee P. Brown as mayor... no small feat. Bring the airport signs back!
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 12:01 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:31 am to Taxing Authority
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Rand Paul defends Houston pastors under attack
by Doug Wead
October 15, 2014
“No minister, anywhere, should ever have to submit a sermon to a government censor.” – Senator Rand Paul
Only minutes ago, Senator Rand Paul spoke up for the Houston pastors who have become the latest target in the city government’s ongoing war against its own churches. Messaging on Twitter, Senator Paul declared, “The First Amendment doesn’t exist to keep religion out of government. It exists to keep government out of religion.” Said Paul, “I stand with the pastors and churches in Houston against government interference and harassment.”
Houston city attorneys, under the direction of Mayor Annise Parker, have now subpoenaed sermons preached by selected pastors whom they believe are opposed to the city’s new agenda.
Here is a quick review of the unfolding drama in Houston.
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 5:03 am to RollTide4Ever
one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Not just for those who do not like others views as this mayor portends these 'sermons' should be scrutinized and more to the point forbidden.
Not just for those who do not like others views as this mayor portends these 'sermons' should be scrutinized and more to the point forbidden.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 6:28 am to Layabout
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This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 6:34 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 6:33 am to RollTide4Ever
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The First Amendment doesn’t exist to keep religion out of government. It exists to keep government out of religion
so to play devils advocate here, why is this church tax exempt from the government?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:14 am to monsterballads
The power to tax is the power to destroy.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:21 am to monsterballads
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why is this church tax exempt from the government?
Non-profit organization. Just like political entities that receive tax exempt status.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:22 am to son of arlo
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The power to tax is the power to destroy
People tend to forget this.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:23 am to TexasTiger89
it's really quite unbelievable and I agree that the pastors should point blank refuse and go to jail if necessary and then sue the pants off of the city
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:24 am to Homesick Tiger
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Non-profit organization.
a church doesn't make a profit?
that's hilarious
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:24 am to SirWinston
They should all just send in a Bible.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:27 am to monsterballads
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that's hilarious
So when was the last time you went to church and was charged to get in the door to receive what that church was offering?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 7:52 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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Abbott has now got involved I bet these perverts cease and desist their intimidation tactics.
No, we'll get another outrageous Wendy Davis political ad. This time, about how Greg Abbott "interfered with local government trying to protect equal rights".
Posted on 10/16/14 at 8:11 am to monsterballads
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so to play devils advocate here, why is this church tax exempt from the government?
Because government is not a higher authority than other social institutions that benefit society. It is established by the governed for the purpose of providing a safe and secure environment for society to grow and thrive. Hence a church is not subordinated to the government but serves a function for the betterment of society.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
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