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5 OCs in 10 years Is the Problem
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:07 am
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:07 am
This is long, but I have figured out the problem. You're welcome.
5 OCs in 10 yrs and the same basic offense. Les was talking about how he was calling the plays at the end of the game last night with the run to the right hash.
The history is that we see the OC change some things up in his first year, but by the second year and some poor play, it is back to Miles calling plays from the sideline. Last night was all Miles. And we won. Miles will be more empowered going forward with the playcalling.
That said, I don't disagree too much with the gameplan. Jennings is awful so running the ball was the right call. If our special teams isn't terrible, that game isn't close.
I think that Miles has a style of play that will put the team at a ceiling of 9-3 in the new SEC. He won't change.
One major problem is that we do not recruit QBs to fit our system because we have had 5 OCs in 10 yrs and we keep pretending that we are changing/going to a spread/etc. But, in reality, we are going to keep doing the same thing. It is as though Miles lies to himself, even.
LSU needs a Russell/Flynn type QB or a Mettenberger who can move just a little. We don't need a dual threat QB. We need a pocket passer who runs a sub 5.5 40 and who can pick up a few extra yards with his feet. They are everywhere. Why we don't recruit them is beyond me. My guess is that we keep changing OCs and we keep pretending that we will be something we are not.
LSU would be much better if they would commit fully to Les's offense and recruit for it. Now we have Grimes, a zone blocking specialist. The OLine is getting better, but that is not Les's thing. He is trying to be innovative in his hires and recruiting, but when it is game week, he cannot change.
Les needs to be Les and recruit players and hire coaches who will execute his plan.
5 OCs in 10 yrs and the same basic offense. Les was talking about how he was calling the plays at the end of the game last night with the run to the right hash.
The history is that we see the OC change some things up in his first year, but by the second year and some poor play, it is back to Miles calling plays from the sideline. Last night was all Miles. And we won. Miles will be more empowered going forward with the playcalling.
That said, I don't disagree too much with the gameplan. Jennings is awful so running the ball was the right call. If our special teams isn't terrible, that game isn't close.
I think that Miles has a style of play that will put the team at a ceiling of 9-3 in the new SEC. He won't change.
One major problem is that we do not recruit QBs to fit our system because we have had 5 OCs in 10 yrs and we keep pretending that we are changing/going to a spread/etc. But, in reality, we are going to keep doing the same thing. It is as though Miles lies to himself, even.
LSU needs a Russell/Flynn type QB or a Mettenberger who can move just a little. We don't need a dual threat QB. We need a pocket passer who runs a sub 5.5 40 and who can pick up a few extra yards with his feet. They are everywhere. Why we don't recruit them is beyond me. My guess is that we keep changing OCs and we keep pretending that we will be something we are not.
LSU would be much better if they would commit fully to Les's offense and recruit for it. Now we have Grimes, a zone blocking specialist. The OLine is getting better, but that is not Les's thing. He is trying to be innovative in his hires and recruiting, but when it is game week, he cannot change.
Les needs to be Les and recruit players and hire coaches who will execute his plan.
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:15 am to AlaTiger
quote:
Les was talking about how he was calling the plays at the end of the game last night with the run to the right hash.
I don't think he said that. He said the play was called not that he called it.
Also he never said it was called to the right hash he said it got pushed to the right hash.
Seems like you are spinning it a little.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 8:22 am
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:16 am to AlaTiger
I agree and disagree.
The players change alot...
We lost all our record setting players in one draft. Last year we threw it all over yard...Mett isn't mobile, so...
This year its clear we should be feeding LF7 25 times a game.
I still like Harris by a big margin..
Can Harris become Mettenburger with feet? That's exciting to visualize
The players change alot...
We lost all our record setting players in one draft. Last year we threw it all over yard...Mett isn't mobile, so...
This year its clear we should be feeding LF7 25 times a game.
I still like Harris by a big margin..
Can Harris become Mettenburger with feet? That's exciting to visualize
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:19 am to ApexTiger
quote:
Can Harris become Mettenburger with feet? That's exciting to visualize
That is my hope. He might be the kind of QB that I am talking about. Jennings is a poor man's Marcus Randall.
I think that we need to hire/keep OCs who sell out to Les's vision and recruit accordingly and stop pretending. Les isn't changing. We either be consistent or get a new coach.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:44 am to AlaTiger
quote:
We need a pocket passer who runs a sub 5.5 40 and who can pick up a few extra yards with his feet.
sub 5.5???
Anyway,
2005-2014
PRO
Lee
JJ
Hatch (transfer)
Garrett
Z. Lee
Mett
Rivers
Jennings
Rettig
DUAL
Perriloux
Shepard
Randall
Bolden (transfer)
Harris
For the people that act like Miles is so in love with dual threats.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 8:47 am
Posted on 10/12/14 at 10:41 am to AlaTiger
quote:No he wasn't.
he was calling the plays at the end of the game last night with the run to the right hash.
He was talking to Colby WHILE the play was being called in.
The offense looks EXACTLY LIKE LAST YEAE minus 4 NFL talents making plays. The routes, the everything, looks the same.
quote:
Now we have Grimes, a zone blocking specialist.
This is worse than the short side option, we were ZONE BLOCKING last year, what the frick do you people watch.....it is really infuriating the ignorance regarding football.
quote:
. The OLine is getting better, but that is not Les's thing.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 10:43 am to AlaTiger
quote:Cam and Les have the EXACT same offensive philosophy. They are tied at the hip, damn near the same DNA. Les probably got his offensive philosophy FROM Cam. Christ.
I think that we need to hire/keep OCs who sell out to Les's vision
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:56 am to tigerfoot
quote:
Cam and Les have the EXACT same offensive philosophy. They are tied at the hip, damn near the same DNA. Les probably got his offensive philosophy FROM Cam. Christ.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:44 pm to AlaTiger
quote:
5 OCs in 10 yrs and the same basic offense. Les was talking about how he was calling the plays at the end of the game last night with the run to the right hash.
The history is that we see the OC change some things up in his first year, but by the second year and some poor play, it is back to Miles calling plays from the sideline. Last night was all Miles. And we won. Miles will be more empowered going forward with the playcalling.
just when I thought Football_Freak was taking an insurmountable lead in worst thread starter...
btw, how many OC's has Alabama had during Nick Saban's 8 years?
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:51 pm to ForeLSU
Yeah, whatever.
All that some of you see is that I am criticizing Miles so you run to his defense lest he get his feelings hurt.
I am actually not being critical of his offense. I am saying that we should just run it unapologetically and be consistent with hiring and recruiting for it.
This is year 2 for Cam. The only QB that he recruited was Harris. I hope he sticks around. I am talking about the last 10 years.
How was Crowton anywhere in the universe of what Miles wants to do? What was Stud all about? No one knows. He was an OC at Bowling Green and didn't run Miles' offense. It has gone back and forth.
Say this is stupid all you want, but one major problem is that we have had multiple offensive philosophies and have recruited and hired in a scattered way. By the way, this has been said on this board a hundred times. I am just linking the recruiting with the 5 OCs in 10 years and saying that it might be a problem.
Or, it is a problem.
All that some of you see is that I am criticizing Miles so you run to his defense lest he get his feelings hurt.
I am actually not being critical of his offense. I am saying that we should just run it unapologetically and be consistent with hiring and recruiting for it.
This is year 2 for Cam. The only QB that he recruited was Harris. I hope he sticks around. I am talking about the last 10 years.
How was Crowton anywhere in the universe of what Miles wants to do? What was Stud all about? No one knows. He was an OC at Bowling Green and didn't run Miles' offense. It has gone back and forth.
Say this is stupid all you want, but one major problem is that we have had multiple offensive philosophies and have recruited and hired in a scattered way. By the way, this has been said on this board a hundred times. I am just linking the recruiting with the 5 OCs in 10 years and saying that it might be a problem.
Or, it is a problem.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:07 pm to AlaTiger
Had we ran more spread read option shotgun formation JJ would have been an elite college QB. He was terrible when forced under center. Lee was the better choice to run Les offense. But Les keeps forcing that square peg into the round hole.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:12 pm to AlaTiger
No one cares that you're criticizing Miles. Anyone who reads the rant is used to that. People are piling on because your criticism is based on ignorance and way too long winded. I've pointed this out a dozen times, and the thread dies because it embarasses the OP and they move on. Our offense has changed DRASTICALLY under every OC that's come through. The personel groupings, route trees, and yes, even the playcalling is night and day between Crowton and Cameron.
I remember years ago when people here used to cuss Miles for calling too many bubble screens and being too cute. They said Miles was handcuffing, and not letting Crowton use our superior athletes to run it down the other team's throat or just throw it downfield with play action. People need to stop sucking Cameron's dick and realize that even though he's a great improvement over Stud and I'm glad he's here, he has been fired from multiple jobs and isn't perfect. He's doing the best he can with the personel that he's got at the moment, but just blaming Miles and saying he's the offense's problem is prisoner of the moment thinking in the highest degree.
I remember years ago when people here used to cuss Miles for calling too many bubble screens and being too cute. They said Miles was handcuffing, and not letting Crowton use our superior athletes to run it down the other team's throat or just throw it downfield with play action. People need to stop sucking Cameron's dick and realize that even though he's a great improvement over Stud and I'm glad he's here, he has been fired from multiple jobs and isn't perfect. He's doing the best he can with the personel that he's got at the moment, but just blaming Miles and saying he's the offense's problem is prisoner of the moment thinking in the highest degree.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:53 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:
TheDrunkenTigah
I've come to the conclusion that over the years our fan base has devolved to the point of having zero football IQ. When talking football turns into, "Miles bad, spread good" it's past time for a purge.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 3:03 pm to tigerfoot
quote:
it is really infuriating the ignorance regarding football.
The amount of stupidity some people have is just astounding. Even dumbasses that never played think they know everything.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 3:35 pm to AlaTiger
quote:
How was Crowton anywhere in the universe of what Miles wants to do? What was Stud all about?
Crowton wasn't, and thats why he got "encouraged to found another job"
Stud was never the intended OC. We wanted Kragthorpe ben then he was diagnosed with Parkinson's. So stud came in and you can't really fire or demote a guy after a season like 2011. But you can after 2012.
I think we want to run a multiple offense that can line up and bang the ball, and spread it out and air it out. But this year we are shielding our young QBs by running.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 3:50 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:
TheDrunkenTigah
You are missing my point. Completely.
Yes, the offense has changed. It changes the first year of every OC and then it reverts back. Miles does not change but he hires different OCs and he still exerts his will. We have recruited different types of players too.
With Cameron, we finally have someone who fits Les. Yes. But, we have recruited differently in the past. I am saying that we need to stick to one thing and just do it. Maybe we are are perennial 9-3 or 10-2 team with it. That is fine. Just be a power run team with a pocket QB who can be a bit mobile and a pounding OLine. That is fine.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 6:28 pm to AlaTiger
quote:
This is long, but I have figured out the problem. You're welcome.
5 OCs in 10 yrs and the same basic offense. Les was talking about how he was calling the plays at the end of the game last night with the run to the right hash.
The history is that we see the OC change some things up in his first year, but by the second year and some poor play, it is back to Miles calling plays from the sideline. Last night was all Miles. And we won. Miles will be more empowered going forward with the playcalling.
That said, I don't disagree too much with the gameplan. Jennings is awful so running the ball was the right call. If our special teams isn't terrible, that game isn't close.
I think that Miles has a style of play that will put the team at a ceiling of 9-3 in the new SEC. He won't change.
One major problem is that we do not recruit QBs to fit our system because we have had 5 OCs in 10 yrs and we keep pretending that we are changing/going to a spread/etc. But, in reality, we are going to keep doing the same thing. It is as though Miles lies to himself, even.
LSU needs a Russell/Flynn type QB or a Mettenberger who can move just a little. We don't need a dual threat QB. We need a pocket passer who runs a sub 5.5 40 and who can pick up a few extra yards with his feet. They are everywhere. Why we don't recruit them is beyond me. My guess is that we keep changing OCs and we keep pretending that we will be something we are not.
LSU would be much better if they would commit fully to Les's offense and recruit for it. Now we have Grimes, a zone blocking specialist. The OLine is getting better, but that is not Les's thing. He is trying to be innovative in his hires and recruiting, but when it is game week, he cannot change.
Les needs to be Les and recruit players and hire coaches who will execute his plan.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 7:19 pm to That LSU Guy
Since 2010 ( 5 recruiting years)
LSU has only signed 35 bigs. 35! The Goal, is usually 10 per year. They should have signed 50 kids. Some would leave through Attrition, draft or injury. We were 15 players short of that goal, and it's come back to haunt us.
LSU has only signed 35 bigs. 35! The Goal, is usually 10 per year. They should have signed 50 kids. Some would leave through Attrition, draft or injury. We were 15 players short of that goal, and it's come back to haunt us.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:05 am to AlaTiger
Let's put Mike Shanahan in purple and gold...
Posted on 10/13/14 at 4:35 am to tigerfoot
quote:
No he wasn't.
He was talking to Colby WHILE the play was being called in.
The offense looks EXACTLY LIKE LAST YEAE minus 4 NFL talents making plays. The routes, the everything, looks the same.
quote:
Now we have Grimes, a zone blocking specialist.
This is worse than the short side option, we were ZONE BLOCKING last year, what the frick do you people watch.....it is really infuriating the ignorance regarding football.
Thank god for you. Someone is making sense in this house of lunacy.
Im happy about the zone blocking and i think the line is starting to get better at it. These growing pains are necessary moving forward.
I love how people around here dont notice the the O is exactly the same.
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