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U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Upholds Ban On U.S. Flag Shirts

Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:15 pm
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:15 pm
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Rights: A Ninth Circuit Court ruling that students can't wear American flag T-shirts because they may offend Mexican students celebrating Cinco de Mayo is a ridiculous yet dangerous assault on the First Amendment.

On Sept. 17, more than four years after Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Calif., sent students home for wearing American flag t-shirts, an 11-judge Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals panel ruled that it was the right choice, "tailored to avert violence and focused on student safety."

The decision upheld the court's three-judge ruling in February that justified the school's actions based on tensions between Mexican and American students. Past events, Judge M. Margaret McKeown wrote, "made it reasonable for school officials to proceed as though the threat of a potentially violent disturbance was real."

We are not making up this surreal situation. Oh, yeah, the incident occurred on Cinco de Mayo, which celebrates the defeat of the French army of Napoleon III by Mexican forces in the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862.

It's often mistaken as Mexico's independence day and is actually celebrated more in the U.S. than in Mexico.

The shirts offended Mexican students who, the Ninth Circuit ruling states, responded by shouting, "They are being racist. F*** them white boys. Let's f*** them up."

According to the court, the wearing of an American flag t-shirt on Cinco de Mayo was the functional equivalent of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

William Becker, a lawyer for the students, has said that he'll take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court. "The 9th Circuit upheld the rights of Mexican students celebrating the holiday of another country over U.S. students proudly supporting this country," he said.

The ruling sets a chilling precedent that "by threatening violence against those with whom you disagree, you can enlist the power of the state to silence them," wrote Judge Diarmuid O'Scannlain in a dissent.


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Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29151 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:16 pm to
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U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals


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Upholds Ban On U.S. Flag Shirts


Shocked, shocked I tell you.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:17 pm to
Eh. Schools have had dress codes for decades. Not saying I believe in the inherent ability of dress codes to keep order, but this is not some huge precedent.
Posted by arseinclarse
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Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:18 pm to
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According to the court, the wearing of an American flag t-shirt on Cinco de Mayo was the functional equivalent of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.


Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81606 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:18 pm to
Why don't they just wear uncle Sam shirts or shirts with bald eagles or statue of liberty instead?

Better yet would be a "dos a cero" shirt
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 4:19 pm
Posted by papasmurf1269
Hells Pass
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:19 pm to
Owlie is going to be pissed.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Member since Jul 2009
47603 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:20 pm to
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American flag T-shirts


Trashy


Posted by Jarlaxle
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Member since Dec 2010
2868 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:21 pm to
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"The 9th Circuit upheld the rights of Mexican students celebrating the holiday of another country over U.S. students proudly supporting this country,"



So basically immigrants to this country who are hoping for citizenship in the USA are legally protected from having their feelings hurt regarding the country they chose to leave?
Posted by FAF
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Member since May 2014
1427 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:21 pm to
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According to the court, the wearing of an American flag t-shirt on Cinco de Mayo was the functional equivalent of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.


Soooo... Are they wearing these shirts in Mexico?

No?

Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81606 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:22 pm to
Yeah Wtf would wear that other than trailer park poors.
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:23 pm to
People spend money and time over the dumbest things
Posted by Rex
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Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:24 pm to
Posting links and snippets without personal commentary added should not be allowed on this site. We can gather news from elsewhere.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
67833 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:25 pm to
There are those who believe that wearing the flag is disrespectful.
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
17701 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:25 pm to
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The ruling sets a chilling precedent that "by threatening violence against those with whom you disagree, you can enlist the power of the state to silence them," wrote Judge Diarmuid O'Scannlain in a dissent.


A 'whole lot' of people missing out on this point. I can't say I'm shocked any longer. This country has been slowly euthanized over the last 60 years.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89511 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:27 pm to
Should the proper response be to wear flaming Mexican Flag shirts next year?

I'm not proposing a course of action, I'm just asking questions.

Wouldn't it be easier if the Ninth Circuit just published a list of things we can wear on May 5th?
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:29 pm to
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The ruling sets a chilling precedent that "by threatening violence against those with whom you disagree, you can enlist the power of the state to silence them," wrote Judge Diarmuid O'Scannlain in a dissent.


This.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89511 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:29 pm to
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People spend money and time over the dumbest things



If Louisiana passed a law saying you can't wear Che Guevara shirts on Veteran's Day or Memorial Day, you'd be one of the first plaintiffs the ACLU would line up for their suit, and you know it.

Either all of it is okay, or none of it is (within reason), and the threat of violence shouldn't be the test.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:30 pm to
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Posting links and snippets without personal commentary added should not be allowed on this site.


That's like, your opinion man......
Posted by Jarlaxle
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Member since Dec 2010
2868 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:31 pm to
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We can gather news from elsewhere.


But those outlets lack your expert commentary.

Posted by Wild Thang
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Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 4:34 pm to
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William Becker, a lawyer for the students, has said that he'll take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court. "The 9th Circuit upheld the rights of Mexican students celebrating the holiday of another country over U.S. students proudly supporting this country," he said


Yep.

This country is truly fricked.
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