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does our offense even gameplan for other teams?
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:45 am
this is not a flame, its a legit question.
it just seems that we never try to find the opposing teams weaknesses and exploit them. case and point is the MSU game. One week earlier, UAB throws the ball all over the field on them (not to mention it is no secret that the strength of their team is their front 7). what do we do with this info? we try to run double tight formations and run up the middle the entire game until we were down 31-10.
it just seems that we never try to find the opposing teams weaknesses and exploit them. case and point is the MSU game. One week earlier, UAB throws the ball all over the field on them (not to mention it is no secret that the strength of their team is their front 7). what do we do with this info? we try to run double tight formations and run up the middle the entire game until we were down 31-10.
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:46 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:47 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Real good question. Doesn't seem like it does it? Guess that's why we keep hearing the "square peg, round hole" statement around here.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:48 am to crazyLSUfan
they are not concerned with what other teams are doing
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:53 am to Bert Macklin FBI
I've wondered this for years. I always imagined that coaches spend all that time looking at opponents film with the sole goal being to figure out a way to negate an opponent's strength and exploit the opponent's weakness with the talent that we have.
Year after year, I just don't see much. Everything looks about the same. I admit that I'm not an x and o expert, so maybe there are subtle changes that I don't see, but I doubt it.
The only good example I recall was a couple years ago against A&M when we got destroyed the first quarter by Manziel's scrambling. Chief then went to a 5 man front with very wide DEs, to keep Manziel contained in the pocket. And we shut him down the rest of the game.
Now that's the kind of stuff coaches get paid for. I just don't see much of that week to week. Makes me wonder what our coaches do with the "gameplan."
Year after year, I just don't see much. Everything looks about the same. I admit that I'm not an x and o expert, so maybe there are subtle changes that I don't see, but I doubt it.
The only good example I recall was a couple years ago against A&M when we got destroyed the first quarter by Manziel's scrambling. Chief then went to a 5 man front with very wide DEs, to keep Manziel contained in the pocket. And we shut him down the rest of the game.
Now that's the kind of stuff coaches get paid for. I just don't see much of that week to week. Makes me wonder what our coaches do with the "gameplan."
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 10:54 am
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:54 am to Bert Macklin FBI
I am as big a Miles supporter as there is, but this is a valid criticism thread. No coach is perfect, and our staff dropped the ball this week imo.
The writing was on the wall all week that attacking through the air was what MSU was hoping we wouldn't do.
All the talk about the scheme is misguided. There aren't many teams that can stop it.
But MSU was one of those teams.
And I disagree to an extent about the double TEs running up the middle until down 31-10. It seems like it, mainly because of the frustrating 4 runs on the goal line stand.
But on rewatch we threw out of multiple formations much more than I thought, even early. But MSU was able to get pressure andAJ missed some open receivers.
Still, I think the pass should have been even more of a focus than it was, especially on 1st downs, given the matchup.
Staff didn't do enough to exploit a clear weakness on that team, especially seeing as how badly our D matched up with their O, meaning points would be at a premium.
This game was never going to be a 17-14 grind it out win. We needed points.
The writing was on the wall all week that attacking through the air was what MSU was hoping we wouldn't do.
All the talk about the scheme is misguided. There aren't many teams that can stop it.
But MSU was one of those teams.
And I disagree to an extent about the double TEs running up the middle until down 31-10. It seems like it, mainly because of the frustrating 4 runs on the goal line stand.
But on rewatch we threw out of multiple formations much more than I thought, even early. But MSU was able to get pressure andAJ missed some open receivers.
Still, I think the pass should have been even more of a focus than it was, especially on 1st downs, given the matchup.
Staff didn't do enough to exploit a clear weakness on that team, especially seeing as how badly our D matched up with their O, meaning points would be at a premium.
This game was never going to be a 17-14 grind it out win. We needed points.
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:55 am to Bert Macklin FBI
What's the point of game planning? We run like 7 plays total and that is the game plan. The only reason it worked last year was because we had a really good QB, and the only reason it worked in 2011 is because our O-line was dominant. We've been running the same Power-I shite for years and sometimes we have the personnel for it to work and some years we don't. Pretty simple concept really.
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 10:57 am
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:02 am to Bert Macklin FBI
BUT, if it had worked early on, IF our OL could have opened running holes we could have improved AJ's ability to pass.
but it did not work. we tried some other things and largely they didn't work either. either protection breakdowns or passing inaccuracy.
I guess the thing that got me was the first and goal at the 2. that was the turning point in the game. MSU was empowered and they smelled blood. and LSU? continued to run up the friggn' middle
but it did not work. we tried some other things and largely they didn't work either. either protection breakdowns or passing inaccuracy.
I guess the thing that got me was the first and goal at the 2. that was the turning point in the game. MSU was empowered and they smelled blood. and LSU? continued to run up the friggn' middle
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:03 am to atltiger6487
He went to a 3 man front, not a 5 man front baww
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:05 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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we try to run double tight formations and run up the middle the entire game until we were down 31-10.
Gosh, we ran double tights 5 times. 4 of them were on the goal line. People we did not run this fricking formation the whole game. we spent more time even out of the pro set which is 1 te and a fb than we did in it. We also had the most succes running out of the pro set. I know people do not watch these games and just parrot back what some drunk idiot says on TD.
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:07 am to Bert Macklin FBI
"We as a team encompass a certain ability to achieve greatness when execution is done correctly. An opportunity arises ever play to which our players can obtain success. Therefore, our schematic operations do not rely on our opponent, rather our quality of self execution."
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:10 am to monsterballads
Bet the OP is a band geek. 
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:27 am to TigerTerd
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rather our quality of self execution
Well, we executed ourselves pretty well on Saturday.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:28 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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we try to run double tight formations and run up the middle the entire game until we were down 31-10.
is that wrong? not a sound gameplan?
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:45 am to Topwater Trout
Honestly, LSU probably didn't focus on a lot of UAB film, because LSU doesn't use a majority of the formations that UAB uses. So watching the 12 plays and how MSU lined up and played say, trips open wouldn't benefit our offense cause we don't run trips open. Just an example
Posted on 9/25/14 at 12:06 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Alabama 2010- ran some plays we hadn't run yet.
Florida 2013- kept it more conservative than usual for last year because their offense was so inept.
A&M 2013-played keep away from Manziel by running the ball more on their horrible defense.
That's all I can think of. Otherwise, not so much.
Florida 2013- kept it more conservative than usual for last year because their offense was so inept.
A&M 2013-played keep away from Manziel by running the ball more on their horrible defense.
That's all I can think of. Otherwise, not so much.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 12:15 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I think it's pretty obvious they don't. I mentioned this to my buddy Sunday. If they do, then they are just horrible gameplanners and it just further enforces the idea that Les is just stubborn and win or lose HIS way.
UAB threw the ball all over the field on MSU. LSU barely tried to throw the ball. Line up, pound the middle with 8-9 in the box. Might work when you can wear down lesser team. Against a team with talent and depth...not so much.
UAB threw the ball all over the field on MSU. LSU barely tried to throw the ball. Line up, pound the middle with 8-9 in the box. Might work when you can wear down lesser team. Against a team with talent and depth...not so much.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 12:17 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
That is a good question.
It appears that CLM's philosophy has been "we do what we do and if we do it well they can't stop us." There are pros and cons to that approach.
It appears that CLM's philosophy has been "we do what we do and if we do it well they can't stop us." There are pros and cons to that approach.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 12:19 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
You idiots are outdoing ourselves on the stupidity ladder.
quote:
I mentioned this to my buddy Sunday
Your buddy the famous football coach?
Most of you numbutz wouldn't know a game plan it it hit you in the face.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 2:07 pm to Gray Tiger
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Most of you numbutz wouldn't know a game plan it it hit you in the fac
well Mr. PHD in game planning, since you obviously have the answer please enlighten the rest of us on what we are missing.
cuz it seems to me that our coaching staff didnt do much to put our team in a position to win. they made bad decision after bad decision. for example, the goaline stand that MSU had we should have kicked a field goal instead of going for it on 4th. then we dont have to go for 2 pt conversions on 2 of our TDs late in the game and guess what the score would have been? you ready for this? 31-31.
yes i realize that hindsight is 20/20 but not getting points when you are in the red zone is inexcusable.
another example of terrible coaching/gameplanning is that god forsaken fullback dive when we bring in a second tailback. it is literally the stupidest thing we do on offense. what makes it so dumb you ask? the fact that every fricking time we line up in it we run a damn fullback dive. it doesnt take a genius to figure that out.
the last part of my rant here is gonna be about how quickly the coaches panicked on offense and started running every trick play they could think of. going for it on 4th and goal was another moment where good ole Les hit the panic button. the half back pass was a great call but when is the last time youve seen a reverse work in the SEC? none come to my mind and do you know why? because SEC teams have the speed to recover on such a long developing play. the trick plays and unnecessary chances that the coaches took dont show that they have much confidence in our players.
ETA: i just rewatched the failure that was our goaline offense and the one play we ran out of the two tailback formation that wasnt a fb dive had kenny hilliard as the lead blocker on the option. again, im no genius, but if you are going to be stubborn and call the same predictable play again and again then when you run a different play to catch the D offguard, there should have been a play fake to the fb. and if executing a play fake is too difficult the play should at the very least have the fb follow the same path as the fb dive so the defense will jump the gun and over commit. but no, our coach decides to run the tailback playing as a fb (and that is important cuz if you want him to block you should have a real fb in the game) in front of the play giving the MSU linebackers an easy read and fast fit. just dumb.
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 2:46 pm
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