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"You're Still a Superpower"

Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:29 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:29 pm
It's a long piece, but worth consideration...

"You're still a superpower, but you no longer know how to act like one."

quote:

a top diplomat from one of America's most dependable Middle Eastern allies said to me in July of this year, "but you no longer know how to act like one."

He was reflecting on America's position in the world almost halfway into President Barack Obama's second term. Fresh in his mind was the extraordinary string of errors (schizophrenic Egypt policy, bipolar Syria policy), missteps (zero Libya post-intervention strategy, alienation of allies in the Middle East and elsewhere), scandals (spying on Americans, spying on friends), halfway measures (pinprick sanctions against Russia, lecture series to Central Americans on the border crisis), unfulfilled promises (Cairo speech, pivot to Asia), and outright policy failures (the double-down then get-out approach in Afghanistan, the shortsighted Iraq exit strategy).

The diplomat with whom I was speaking is a thoughtful man. He knew well that not all of these problems are the result of the blunders of a single really bad year or the fault of any one president. The reality is that any president's foreign policy record depends heavily on luck, external factors, cyclical trends, and legacy issues. And, to be sure, Obama inherited many of his greatest challenges, some of the biggest beyond his control.


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The problem is that in seeking to sidestep the pitfalls that plagued Bush, Obama has inadvertently created his own. Yet unlike Bush, whose flaw-riddled first-term foreign policy was followed by important and not fully appreciated second-term course corrections, Obama seems steadfast in his resistance both to learning from his past errors and to managing his team so that future errors are prevented. It is hard to think of a recent president who has grown so little in office.
Ouch.

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More than at any time in the past, Obama's administration has chosen, in a very deliberate way, to concentrate more power within the White House .... More importantly, the White House staff has taken the lead on key issues from the outset, so much so that many D.C.-based ambassadors now habitually bypass the State Department in order to speak to those in the West Wing or in the NSC offices in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building.
Yet... "read it in the news"...

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It is easy, and perhaps natural, to conclude that the president can do little to improve his performance. But that is not true. In fact, some useful insights into how to get the president's national security act together come from what many in the White House -- not to mention the general public -- might see as the unlikeliest of sources: George W. Bush's administration.
Ouch. When emulating Bush is considered to be an improvement... things are not well...



This post was edited on 9/19/14 at 10:31 pm
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:34 pm to
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a top diplomat from one of America's most dependable Middle Eastern allies said to me in July of this year,

Seems like something that is probably just his opinion and he attributed it to this nameless entity.

Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:34 pm to
Keep voting Democrat, America.

We are almost there !

Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:35 pm to
In August I had a Swedish gentleman in Stockholm tell me almost the same thing. He went on to say the world NEEDS the U.S. to be a superpower for the sake of stability in the world.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:41 pm to
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Seems like something that is probably just his opinion and he attributed it to this nameless entity.


Does that take away from the merits of the opinion or something?
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 10:52 pm to
Anyone who says America isn't a superpower is a moron.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:06 pm to
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one of America's most dependable Middle Eastern allies
ERROR: NULL SET
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:31 pm to
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Does that take away from the merits of the opinion or something?
Absolutely.

The Middle East is a land made up of artificial borders governed by tyrants who stay in power thanks to the patronage of superpowers who desire a stable tap for the natural resources therein. The US is their last major patron. The Arab Spring scared the crap out of them because it showed that, at a minimum, the US was willing to stand aside and let a tyrant be overthrown (Egypt) and at a maximum, tip the scales against them (Libya), even when such a roll of the dice might come up snake eyes (aka Islamists). They can also see the future, where as NA shale oil makes more and more economic sense, and their reserves are increasingly either tapped or less economical, the US starts becoming disinclined to give a shite about that part of the world.

Therefore they have a vested interest in keeping the US engaged and propping up their horses. They want us convinced that the Islamists hate us for our freedom, not for our interference, and convinced that if we disengage, it will be catastrophe for us, and not for them. Similarly, they have a vested interest in pitting the Islamists against the Great Satan (you should hear what they say about us in Arabic), and not against their own crappy regimes. This is a strategy Saudi Arabia has worked to perfection for decades, as demonstrated by a cursory look at the passports of the 9/11 hijackers, their conspicuous absence from the list of countries we have intervened in afterwards, and the part of the commission report which states [REDACTED].

When I hear Middle Eastern diplomats kvetching about how America is blowing it, all I hear is tinpots asking for national security bailouts. When I hear bureaucrats whose chief complaint about Obama's policy is "he's not doing enough stuff," I only wish the rest of his Presidency featured the same complaints. (The stuff about centralization is a procedural red herring: the underlying, substantive complaint is that Obama isn't Obombing enough.)
This post was edited on 9/19/14 at 11:35 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:53 pm to
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Seems like something that is probably just his opinion and he attributed it to this nameless entity.
I have no idea. Neither do you, I'd reckon. The source is only used for the lede, though. Has nothing to do with the rest of the piece.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57316 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 11:58 pm to
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When I hear Middle Eastern diplomats kvetching about how America is blowing it, all I hear is tinpots asking for national security bailouts.
Maybe? But if there's one lesson from post-Saddam Iraq, it's that force is a necessary evil in the world. Hussein was a brutal dictator. Now we know why... their culture seems do worse in power vacuums.

I'm not sure that Obama's doing such a bad job, as much as they are doing it in such a poor fashion. Style points count.
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:15 am to
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The Middle East is a land made up of artificial borders governed by tyrants who stay in power thanks to the patronage of superpowers who desire a stable tap for the natural resources therein. The US is their last major patron. The Arab Spring scared the crap out of them because it showed that, at a minimum, the US was willing to stand aside and let a tyrant be overthrown (Egypt) and at a maximum, tip the scales against them (Libya), even when such a roll of the dice might come up snake eyes (aka Islamists). They can also see the future, where as NA shale oil makes more and more economic sense, and their reserves are increasingly either tapped or less economical, the US starts becoming disinclined to give a shite about that part of the world.

Therefore they have a vested interest in keeping the US engaged and propping up their horses. They want us convinced that the Islamists hate us for our freedom, not for our interference, and convinced that if we disengage, it will be catastrophe for us, and not for them. Similarly, they have a vested interest in pitting the Islamists against the Great Satan (you should hear what they say about us in Arabic), and not against their own crappy regimes. This is a strategy Saudi Arabia has worked to perfection for decades, as demonstrated by a cursory look at the passports of the 9/11 hijackers, their conspicuous absence from the list of countries we have intervened in afterwards, and the part of the commission report which states [REDACTED].

When I hear Middle Eastern diplomats kvetching about how America is blowing it, all I hear is tinpots asking for national security bailouts. When I hear bureaucrats whose chief complaint about Obama's policy is "he's not doing enough stuff," I only wish the rest of his Presidency featured the same complaints. (The stuff about centralization is a procedural red herring: the underlying, substantive complaint is that Obama isn't Obombing enough.)




Interesting post and lots of food for thought including a couple angles I never thought about. I've always known about how we need the Mideast and their natural resources and why the Iraq war was incentive driven for some American politicians. I've never really thought about it from the middle easterners end and what vested interest they have in us.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:16 am to
A top diplomat told me ur bs
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:35 am to
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Maybe? But if there's one lesson from post-Saddam Iraq, it's that force is a necessary evil in the world. Hussein was a brutal dictator. Now we know why... their culture seems do worse in power vacuums.
How long did it take the French to get a stable, democratic government after Louis XVI was deposed?

Civil wars happen. So do revolutions. It's not our white man's burden to step in because "thur doin it rong." Especially when we have been gone from Iraq for all of three whole years. If it takes them generations, that will make them no different from any number of "civilized" European nations. What good does it do us to step in and try to force it? We already tried this. It failed. Saying "we should step in longer" is unsatisfactory too because we are not an empire where the will of the people (which is manifestly not an eternal occupation of Iraq) can be ignored in favor of whatever will expand the Pax Americana.

And spare me the "well, but we broke it we bought it." Firstly, I have yet to meet a person who believes this only about Iraq. The sorts of people who think we have business in Iraq also think we have business in Syria and Egypt and God knows where else. Secondly, it is a recipe for us being there forever because the borders of Iraq are drawn as a colony (the former British Mandate of Mesopotamia). They are not governable by a democracy, only by a strongman or a colonial power willing to constantly suppress ethnic tensions through the use of, let's say, "gasses which cause great inconvenience and spread a lively terror."
This post was edited on 9/20/14 at 12:38 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:40 am to
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How long did it take the French to get a stable, democratic government after Louis XVI was deposed? Civil wars happen. So do revolutions.
For sure.

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And spare me the "well, but we broke it we bought it."
I don't recall making such an argument?

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They are not governable by a democracy, only by a strongman or a colonial power.
I think I recall hearing that somewhere?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/20/14 at 12:40 am to
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A top diplomat told me ur bs
Thanks for your intellectual contribution...
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 9/20/14 at 1:04 am to
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Interesting post and lots of food for thought including a couple angles I never thought about. I've always known about how we need the Mideast and their natural resources and why the Iraq war was incentive driven for some American politicians. I've never really thought about it from the middle easterners end and what vested interest they have in us.
Another case-in-point is Qatar. They run al-Jazeera. They are one of the top state sponsors of Hamas. Doha is the financial laundromat for pretty much every terrorist group, and several members of the ruling Thani family have al-Qaeda links.

Despite this they also host three US military bases. They bought eleven figures' worth of helicopters and missiles from us this year. They are generous with their oil and grease palms for Western prestige projects like the World Cup.

Almost every Arab nation does this. They play both sides, America and the Islamists. America gives them military cover and political cover. Islamists go Somewhere Else, hopefully to scare America instead of getting any ideas at home. Rinse repeat.
This post was edited on 9/20/14 at 1:07 am
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