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I am going to look like a terrible person for saying this (regarding suffrage)

Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:20 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:20 pm
There is a very common belief that the more suffrage and voting there is, the better everything is. I tend to disagree. Let me defend myself by saying that if law and government, in present times, were actually kept in their traditional confines of protecting natural rights to life, liberty, and property, then I would be fine with mass voting. The problem though, is that the primary function of government these days is monetary transfer from one group to another in the form of benefits (pork, programs, etc). Because this is the current, unfortunate primary function of the state, it means that the more people that vote, the more interests there are in the picture, trying to claw and fight for the scarce resources that the government transfers from peter to Paul.

Someone in a recent thread said that he thinks a balanced budget is impossible. And I agree, for the reason I listed above.

You can call me a terrible person all you want, but mass suffrage and voting, combined with a government whose primary function is not protection of rights, but transferring of wealth, gets you to Bastiat's spot on definition of government:

Government is that great fiction, where everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:24 pm to
#Repealthe19th
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
55358 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to
So you anti liberty and anti American tradition? Democracy only for the rich?

Freedom for those who can afford to by it. Asking for a violent revolution. Damn
By the way life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Property is not appropriate here.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65094 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to
I'm actually in agreement.
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to




Well hell, given your voting record of only voting for republicans, who cares what the candidate stands for, you should move to North Korea and hang out with this guy.

You guys have a lot in common.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to
Damnit, GeauxxxTigers23 beat me to it
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65094 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:25 pm to
quote:

So you anti liberty and anti American tradition? Democracy only for the rich?


That's originally how it was set up. The Founding Fathers originally only allowed rich land owners to vote.
Posted by Radiojones
The Twilight Zone
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:26 pm to
Who is John Galt?
Posted by Radiojones
The Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:26 pm to
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asurob1


Excellent troll 9/10
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69301 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

given your voting record of only voting for republicans,
I'm voting for democratic governor Jerry Brown's reelection. He has cut spending in the face of democratic whining and wailing.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69301 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

anti liberty
Majority rule is a threat to liberty.
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

I'm voting for democratic governor Jerry Brown's reelection. He has cut spending in the face of democratic whining and wailing.


Dear lord have you actually learned something from hanging out here.



I'm actually proud of you.

But this thread...reeks of stupidity on your part.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32649 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."


We have failed. Big time
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
55358 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:30 pm to
The founding father only let males and whites vote. Surely you are going to run with that. The founding fathers allowed slavery so whats your point?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72115 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:30 pm to
Don't feel like a bad person. It is actually an understandable position to hold.

I've always felt that the idea of being able vote simply for existing is counterproductive.

Something given does not have as much value as something taken or earned.

The problem arises when attempting to decide who gets to vote.

I'm partial to intelligence requirements, but the decision of how to measure that differs for many and there is no definitive test.
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
55358 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:32 pm to
Majority rule is a threat to liberty. The ultimate anti American democratic statement. Either so far to the right as to catch up to those so far to the left.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69301 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:33 pm to
Do you even know what liberty is?
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:35 pm to
Yes you do look like a terrible person.

This stupid idea gets thrown around every month or two on here. Invariably people think it's the other side filled with idiots who shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

That's originally how it was set up. The Founding Fathers originally only allowed rich land owners to vote.


Oh and more then a few of them owned other humans.

I am positive you are good with that as well.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65094 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 2:36 pm to
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The founding father only let males and whites vote. Surely you are going to run with that. The founding fathers allowed slavery so whats your point?



Easily adjustable. If they are female and own property then they can vote. If they are black and own property they can vote.

And to vote at all, whether you are black, white, brown, orange, yellow, purple or green, you must take and pass a citizenship test every two years.

There are some people who vote in the presidential election who can't tell you where our nation's capital is located and many more still can't tell you who their congressman or senators are.
This post was edited on 9/19/14 at 2:38 pm
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