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The Spanish Inquisition was not Catholic
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:01 am
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:01 am
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:02 am to Zach
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:06 am to Zach
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Well, if ISIS is not Islamic, then the Inquisition was not Catholic. The fact is that there are no defensible criteria for whether a faith is “true,” since all faiths are man-made and accrete doctrine—said to come from God, but itself man-made—that becomes integral to those faiths. Whatever “true faith” means, it doesn’t mean “the right religion: the one whose God exists and whose doctrines are correct.” If that were so, we wouldn’t see Westerners trying to tell us what “true Islam” is.
Good find Zach.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:07 am to Zach
Is molesting choir boys and widespread cover-ups 'true' Catholicism?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:07 am to Zach
Correct, no religion condones the killing of innocents.
All hail dear Leader and our new alternative reality.
All hail dear Leader and our new alternative reality.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:12 am to Zach
NB4...
...damn!
...damn!
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:13 am to Zach
Speaking of people not being what they say they are, you're about as far from a libertarian as there is... But that doesn't stop you from claiming to be libertarian.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:18 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Speaking of people not being what they say they are, you're about as far from a libertarian as there is... But that doesn't stop you from claiming to be libertarian.
Name a position that I take that is not libertarian. BTW, you will be the 1,000th poster who has stepped in it. Come on. Take a step. We shall be kind.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:19 pm to Zach
That may be one of the dumbest and most uninformed articles I've ever read. FFS.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:22 pm to TN Bhoy
What does FFS mean?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:24 pm to Zach
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What does FFS mean?
For frick's sake
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:26 pm to TN Bhoy
Thanks. I shall try to remember that one. 
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:34 pm to Zach
The Spanish Inquisition wasn't even as bad as some people would like you to believe. According to research done 10 years ago, of the 125,000 people tried by the Spanish Inquisition, only 1% of them were actually executed.
Furthermore, the Spanish Inquisition was actually started by the state - not the Church - to root out those Jews and Muslims who had "converted" merely for political and social advantages, while secretly continuing to practice their former religion.
Was it wrong? Yeah. Was it as bad as people claim? Heck no.
Furthermore, the Spanish Inquisition was actually started by the state - not the Church - to root out those Jews and Muslims who had "converted" merely for political and social advantages, while secretly continuing to practice their former religion.
Was it wrong? Yeah. Was it as bad as people claim? Heck no.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:35 pm to BayouBlitz
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Is molesting choir boys and widespread cover-ups 'true' Catholicism?
No it's not. It's not part of Catholic Doctrine, and the demands of the Congregations that the perpetrators be punished was widespread.
I also would imagine that a lot of the Prosecutors were Catholic.
Oh, and guess what. No one was beheaded, blown up, or had a bullet put to the head for speaking out or prosecuting.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:44 pm to RollTide1987
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Furthermore, the Spanish Inquisition was actually started by the state - not the Church - to root out those Jews and Muslims who had "converted" merely for political and social advantages, while secretly continuing to practice their former religion.
Yep. The Church acted to lessen the punishments.
The Spanish Inquisition wasn't about people being non-Catholic. It was about being non-Spanish. The Spanish government saw Catholicism as essential to being a good Spaniard. Someone who claimed to be Catholic but wasn't was, essentially, a traitor to the state.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:11 pm to Zach
Hard hitting propagandist work. If only ISIS was a truly dominant player with wide-reaching influence.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:25 pm to The Third Leg
I'll tell all the Jews that were killed and tortured that all of you (well some of you) said it wasn't so bad and they should have sucked it up.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:48 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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I'll tell all the Jews that were killed and tortured that all of you (well some of you) said it wasn't so bad and they should have sucked it up.
Well I certainly don't deny that there have been atrocities carried out in the name of the Catholic Church and other Christian Faiths.
And when people were doing these things, they also still believed in witches, bleeding the sick, had no idea about germs or how to prevent disease, and a whole lot of other primitive thinking. But back in the 17th/18th century a thing called the Enlightenment occurred.
Islam has not moved beyond the 8th Century.
And that's the difference.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:50 pm to Zach
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The Spanish Inquisition was not Catholic (Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:01 am)
This thread, the article linked, and everyone who subsequently tried to mount a defensible position for Catholicism is a joke.
ISIS is to Islam, as the Inquisition was to Christianity
Catholicism, as much as their dogma has tried to redefine it, is still nothing more than abhorrent version of Christianity. That's why it has failed its adherents, and will continue to do so. That's why it can be the state religion of empires and the banner that countries have rallied around in the name of war.
A true Christian would condemn the inquisition, the hierarchy of the Papacy, the molestation of children, on its face. It is irrelevant and nonsensical to compare ISIS-Islam to Inquistion-Catholicism; Inquisitors and Catholics do not speak for Christianity. They are their own abhorrent versions of whatever their dogma says they are.
So just as summary Zach, since your head can be made to spin pretty easily these days:
ISIS>Most Radical Islamists. Neither speaks for Islam. Believe at your discretion
Inquisitors>Most Catholics? I don't know; but Neither speaks for Christianity. That is a fact
The author attempts to compare Obama's statements with his own faulty analogy, by elevating Catholicism over Christianity. Fail.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:51 pm to redandright
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Oh, and guess what. No one was beheaded, blown up, or had a bullet put to the head for speaking out or prosecuting.
Just raped as children and scarred for life.
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