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Scotland Independence - Polls Tightening Ahead of 9/18 Referedum
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:58 am
Posted on 9/10/14 at 7:58 am
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It looks like the recent Salmond-Darling debate has had an effect on the polls. It seems to have gotten to the point that David Cameron and other UK leaders have to go to Scotland to campaign for the "no" vote.
Honestly, I never thought the "Yes" campaign had a chance. This is surprising.
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With less than two weeks to go until Scotland's referendum, polls suggest an increase in those favoring independence from the United Kingdom, with one survey for the first time putting the "yes" vote ahead.
On September 18, voters in Scotland will be presented with a simple yes/no question: Should Scotland be an independent country?
A "yes" vote would mean Scotland splits from the rest of the United Kingdom -- that is, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Activists on both sides are stepping up their efforts as the historic referendum approaches.
A YouGov poll conducted for The Sunday Times and released on Sunday showed the "yes" vote at 51% and "no" at 49%. The poll of 1084 voters excluded undecided voters and YouGov said the numbers represented "a statistical dead heat."
YouGov President Peter Kellner said a 2-point gap was too small to predict the outcome of the referendum but demonstrated that support for the "Better Together" campaign had fallen "at an astonishing rate." Four weeks ago YouGov put "no" at 58% and "yes" at 42%, Kellner said.
It looks like the recent Salmond-Darling debate has had an effect on the polls. It seems to have gotten to the point that David Cameron and other UK leaders have to go to Scotland to campaign for the "no" vote.
Honestly, I never thought the "Yes" campaign had a chance. This is surprising.
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:16 am to GetCocky11
I wish we could do this as peacefully in the US
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:23 am to Mr.Perfect
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I wish we could do this as peacefully in the US
There is some concern in the UK that, if Scotland's vote is successful, Northern Ireland may be next.
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The Troubles weren't that long ago. There are people alive today who had family and/or friends killed by one side or the other. Could those old wounds reopen?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:31 am to GetCocky11
The young scot socialists are wanting fundamental change. Sounds familiar. They're probably not going to like what they get.
If YES passes, it will be interesting what happens to the Royal Navy and Air Force, the pound, and single malt exports.
If YES passes, it will be interesting what happens to the Royal Navy and Air Force, the pound, and single malt exports.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:38 am to Quidam65
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Northern Ireland
Wouldn't Northern Ireland be pretty worthless as an independent country? Don't they have the smallest economy of the four UK countries?
They will never join the Republic of Ireland. It just doesn't seem like a good move.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:01 am to GetCocky11
The article mentions they have more ties to Scotland than with England.
I'm not saying it would be a good idea for Northern Ireland to be independent, only that there is talk of it.
I'm not saying it would be a good idea for Northern Ireland to be independent, only that there is talk of it.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:08 am to GetCocky11
We still have family in Scotland. The best understanding I have from them is that most people want a country of Scots for Scots. While some of the ideas are pretty progressive such as the mandatory 30 hour child care for families, a lot of Scots do not like the direction the UK is headed. Most do not like the idea of a Muslim takeover that has been promised and is happening in England by Muslims themselves. You probably won't see that in many headlines but behind the scenes and in the homes it is a very legit concern. I say good for the Scots.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:11 am to Hog Zealot
I wonder how much Braveheart has been playing in Scotland lately?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:13 am to GetCocky11
Is the vote a legally binding referendum which if it passes means Scotland would become a separate country or is it more of a polling process to see how the voters feel?
Does the rest of the UK (a term which I suppose would no longer exist if Scotland leaves the 'United' part) have veto authority over Scotland exiting?
Does the rest of the UK (a term which I suppose would no longer exist if Scotland leaves the 'United' part) have veto authority over Scotland exiting?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:32 am to Quidam65
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Northern Ireland may be next.
Then there would be conflict.
Sectarian violence big time
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:35 am to Hog Zealot
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Most do not like the idea of a Muslim takeover that has been promised and is happening in England by Muslims themselves. You probably won't see that in many headlines but behind the scenes and in the homes it is a very legit concern. I say good for the Scots.
Um no its not. People from SW Asia make up like 4% of the UK population. People in the UK are not liking the influx of eastern europeans right now.
btw Muslims have made their way up to Scotland.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:39 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Um no its not. People from SW Asia make up like 4% of the UK population.
Maybe 4% of the population but they sure seem to have an oversized impact on the rest of the country.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:42 am to LSURussian
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Is the vote a legally binding referendum which if it passes means Scotland would become a separate country or is it more of a polling process to see how the voters feel?
It is my understand that if a simple majority votes Yes, then negotiations for independence would begin.
The act for the referendum received approval from the Queen. Royal Assent seems pretty legitimizing.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 9:43 am
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:00 am to Quidam65
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There is some concern in the UK that, if Scotland's vote is successful, Northern Ireland may be next.
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The Troubles weren't that long ago. There are people alive today who had family and/or friends killed by one side or the other. Could those old wounds reopen?
One of the things to watch if Scotland becomes independent is the reaction of the hardcore Unionists that infest parts of Scotland. George Galloway, one of those MPs one would expect to be pro-Independence, is against it because it would give the "tiny minority of extremists" much more power in Scotland. Bear in mind, there have been more sectarian killings in Scotland than the O6 since the GFA.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:06 am to GetCocky11
quote:"Negotiations" imply some sort of approval must be obtained from the other parts of the United Kingdom.
then negotiations for independence would begin.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:08 am to LSURussian
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"Negotiations" imply some sort of approval must be obtained from the other parts of the United Kingdom.
If the referendum passes, Scotland will become independent. DWI.
Also, there's much more support for Scottish independence in Wales and the O6 than there is in Scotland.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:08 am to TN Bhoy
Scotland may, or may not, have the economic muscle to go it alone. Northern Ireland would be fricked if they tried it or rejoined Ireland for that matter. Ireland doesn't offer the same social services that NI enjoys.
I know that many on the board consider any social service offered by the government evil and wicked, but if you grew up used to having them it would be real shock to the system to have to do without. When you add in the Troubles Northern Ireland would be in a world of hurt.
Considering I have some close friends living there I'd prefer they not have to go through all that.
I know that many on the board consider any social service offered by the government evil and wicked, but if you grew up used to having them it would be real shock to the system to have to do without. When you add in the Troubles Northern Ireland would be in a world of hurt.
Considering I have some close friends living there I'd prefer they not have to go through all that.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:11 am to TN Bhoy
quote:"Deal with it"?? I don't give a frick if Scotland becomes independent or not. That's their business.
Scotland will become independent. DWI.
But if there are 'negotiations' involved, then it's not a cut and dried done deal without some strings being attached to their independence.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:13 am to TN Bhoy
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One of the things to watch if Scotland becomes independent is the reaction of the hardcore Unionists that infest parts of Scotland
o shut up, no different than the pro Irish/IRA backers in Scotland. Who are only voting to leave the UK to frick with the crown.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:14 am to LSURussian
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But if there are 'negotiations' involved, then it's not a cut and dried done deal without some strings being attached to their independence.
Well the negotiations would cover the basic things but the stick points are going to be things like currency.
Will Scotland use the pound sterling or will they have to go another route? I believe the UK is not down with being in a currency union with an independent Scotland. However, the Scots seem to think a currency union is a very viable option.
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