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Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:21 am
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:21 am
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Posted by WB504
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
5871 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:24 am to
Patriots need to get Brady some real weaopons.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
14973 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:30 am to
I agree with Luck but Brady still got it.

You are not factoring in enough the lack of receivers and play makers he has at his disposal. Any other elite QB would look similiar in this offense.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81365 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:32 am to
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You are not factoring in enough the lack of receivers and play makers he has at his disposal. Any other elite QB would look similiar in this offense.


The Patriots have been refusing to get Brady weapons for the past 8 years or so. It's frankly mind boggling. It's almost like Belichek and Kraft are in some weird secret bet to win the Super Bowl with as little talent as possible.

They NEVER use their cap space and they're easily one of the richest and most valuable franchises in American pro sports. It's simply baffling - and the lack of outcry from their fans is baffling as well.
Posted by holdthattigah
White Bay, JVD
Member since Sep 2014
116 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:34 am to
Well when you consistently win without these weapons what do you expect?
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:34 am to
randy moss
welker
gronk
hernandez
amendola

they give him guys, the last few years they've been bitten by the injury/murder bug. There was a day when TB could make david patten look like an NFL wide receiver
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81365 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:38 am to
None of those guys aside from Moss is a #1 NFL wide receiver. And they haven't had a good RB in about as long.
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8328 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:42 am to
1 game. Last year with inferior talent he threw for 4300yds and 29 TDs.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:43 am to
gronnkowski is a #1 receiver for all intents and purposes and they've had talent in the backfield...BB has proven to be a regular Sean Payton when it comes to mismanaging his RB talent

I wouldn't argue he doesn't have what he should. They continue to punish him for giving them a cap friendly deal...people used to point to the patriots, ooh players want to win, they take friendly deals

they pretty much ensured that is never going to happen again. They took the savings and, well they just took the savings
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:45 am to
I didn't say he sucked balls, I'm saying his best days are gone. And I'm a TB fan.
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8328 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:46 am to
Statistically speaking along with his age you're probably right. But I don't want to live in that world.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:54 am to
Neither do I.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81365 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:56 am to
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I wouldn't argue he doesn't have what he should. They continue to punish him for giving them a cap friendly deal...people used to point to the patriots, ooh players want to win, they take friendly deals


then why are we "debating"? I totally agree with what you say about Brady being the consummate franchise player and always restructuring, taking less than top dollar (unlike Manning and Brees, to be blunt) in order to allow NE as much flexibility as possible. But yep - NE hasn't rewarded him in turn.


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They took the savings and, well they just took the savings



This is what's the most puzzling. Kraft would have made far more money by winning another Super Bowl or two more recently in the Patriots' run of greatness. Yeah, they're a "dynasty" but they could have been the all-time greatest dynasty (and the longest tenured dynasty) in the NFL - and they could have achieved that DURING the most parity-friendly era of the sport, making it all the more impressive. Kraft's already a billionaire - why does pocketing an unused $6.5 million or so every year turn him on so much?
This post was edited on 9/8/14 at 8:57 am
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 8:58 am to
I don't debate. I do think the fact that he is a diminished player contributes to how he's played the last two years...maybe he gives less of a frick considering the pats are cool with Julius eddelman being his #1 WR
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81365 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 9:00 am to
He's really got the perfect life (actually, I think Derek Jeter's setup is more fun, but you get the point). I don't see how human nature would prevent him from caring a little bit less.
This post was edited on 9/8/14 at 9:01 am
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32021 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 9:05 am to
Peyton is older with a bad neck and still putting up mvp numbers.. tom has time
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141660 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 9:07 am to
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Peyton is older with a bad neck and still putting up mvp numbers
well he's better
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 9:07 am to
no one is talking about peyton manning, go somewhere else
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
28854 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 9:08 am to
yep sucks.

Matt Ryan will throw for 7000 yards this year because game 1 = how everything will play out all year.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32021 posts
Posted on 9/8/14 at 9:09 am to
well you act like he is old and wont get any better. Im giving you proof he can, and his best days doesnt have to be behind him.
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