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Aren't LSU and Wisconsin eerily similar teams?

Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:02 am
Posted by TigerTreyjpg
Monroe, LA
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:02 am
And, btw, doesn't that bode well for LSU?


I don't know a ton about Wisconsin. I've read more about them in the last couple of weeks than I likely have in the last 20 years, and in doing a little research and reading on them, they remind me of LSU in alot of ways - especially this particular year. I'd love to get the the Rant's take on this, as if this comparison is correct, it does not bode well for Chucky.

Both teams seem to tout their offensive line as the strength of the team. Both teams have proven running backs, and would also consider their running backs as a respective team strength. Both teams lost a ton on defense last year, and will be replacing key components thereof.

Y'all think that's the truth? Are both teams planning to rely on experienced offensive lines and running backs to pound out a ground attack that will impose their offensive will on the other team's defense?

If what I read is true, Wisconsin lost every single starting defensive lineman and linebacker. The entire front 7. Likewise, LSU lost a wealth of talent, experience, and ability on their own defensive front 7.

Even historically, these teams are pretty similar in that given the choice, their offenses will never be confused with Texas Tech or Oregon. Both teams would rather play big and powerful as opposed to fast and finesse filled. Y'all agree with that?

If those things are true, I cannot see how Wisconsin can win this game, save a huge difference in turnovers. It LOOKS like both teams are a "we are what we are" type team. We're going to run the ball, only throw it to set up that run, and play solid defense. Historically (say recent 5 years), there's been exactly one team that possesses the athletes to beat LSU in an LSU style game. That's Alabama. I've admitted that I don't know a ton about Wisconsin. I do know that they are not as good as Alabama.

Wisconsin fans think that LSU fans are cocky. I'd submit that NOTHING could be more reflective of a cocky attitude than a Wisconsin team thinking that they could line up against LSU, man to man, and whip them at their own game. I don't think that will happen.

Because these teams will play a similarly run oriented, nothing flashy offensive game, this game will be close early. By the middle of the 3rd quarter, LSU's superior athletic ability and depth will begin to take over. By the end of the 3rd, LSU has a double digit lead, or is about to take one. By the end of the game, LSU is able to just about what it wants to do in terms of the running game.

Game is 17-17 at half, Chief makes adjustments, Wisconsin never seriously threatens again, 30 - 17 early in the fourth, finishes 33-20. LSU backs combine for 258 on the ground. Jennings is 7 for 11 for 142, but that includes a 65 yard run after a 5 yard catch by #18. Harris is 3 for 4 for 50, and another 40 on the ground.











Posted by Macintosh504
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:05 am to
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Posted by 1badboy
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:06 am to
Yes!
Posted by TigerTreyjpg
Monroe, LA
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:06 am to
quote:

Wall of text


I used paragraphs.

Take your Adderall.
Posted by Macintosh504
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:10 am to
I do applaud you for that
Posted by Dick Macho
New Iberia
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:15 am to
Wiscy fans claim to have a similar team to LSU and always fall back on their toughness and size while it is much easier to list what LSU is lacking rather than what they are good at.

In reality, they are nothing like LSU and they should figure this out after the game. I have been saying for a while that teams like the Badgers should be very thankful that LSU loses so many third year players to the drafts.

I'm not cocky. I'm just a Dick.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:18 am to
If all the LSU players tied twenty pound weights on their ankles to slow them down the two teams would be close to equal
Posted by doze4
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:30 am to
They are very similar . One thing you didn't mention is They have a strong secondary just like we do.

The way they pound it is a little different than we do. They use a little more deception & misdirection, lots of men in motion . They use the speed sweep and fakes to the motion man in the speed sweep a lot, which I would love us to do. It freezes your outside linebackers & defensive ends for a brief second, keeps them honest, they can't pinch down right away anticipating the dive up the middle. They will also throw off of these same ball fakes. Bama will line up in the I formation,just like us & run it down your throat & make you stop it. You know they are running, they know that you know they are running. Stop it if you can. You sneak your safeties closer & closer to the line & they eventually go play action over the top.
Posted by doze4
Greens burgs
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:41 am to
quote:

If all the LSU players tied twenty pound weights on their ankles to slow them down the two teams would be close to equal




Wisconsin can win this game & it would shock very few people outside of Louisiana if they do. The line is 4 points . That's it!
I hope our players don't think like you do. Wisconsin kicked the shite out of the same Iowa team we struggled with in our bowl game.
Posted by ThePoo
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:42 am to
Similar except they have less talent
Posted by jaguar fan
Member since Feb 2014
754 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:44 am to
Well LSU is the best team in the whole wide world so no team could ever be similar to them...
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
740 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:46 am to
You totally get it.

Well researched and written.
Posted by LSU METRY 82
Metairie
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:08 am to
They are kind of similar except for one thing. Speed!
Posted by TigerTreyjpg
Monroe, LA
Member since Jun 2008
5815 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:11 am to
quote:

Wisconsin can win this game & it would shock very few people outside of Louisiana if they do. The line is 4 points . That's it!
I hope our players don't think like you do. Wisconsin kicked the shite out of the same Iowa team we struggled with in our bowl game.


The "line" argument is a damn strong/chesty one.

I based my OP on what I'd read over the last two weeks, seen over the past 10 years, and "a feel". Those guys - the guys that said LSU wins by 4 - came to their conclusions because their livelihood depends on it, and they are REMARKABLY good at earning that livelihood.

I do see the world through purple tinted glasses (held by gold frames, nonetheless). I readily admit that. If I had a loaded pistol put to my head, and had to bet a trigger pull on who's closer to right between "the guy" that initially said -4, and me, I'd bet on "the guy".

All that said, I just can't see anyone, save Bama, lining up, doing about what we do, and winning.


Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11875 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:12 am to
Similar in that they are run first. The level on athlete (particularly on defense) is not remotely close in any shape or form.



Posted by Dick Macho
New Iberia
Member since Jun 2013
920 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:21 am to
quote:

They are very similar . One thing you didn't mention is They have a strong secondary just like we do.




I am not saying that wiscy doesn't have a goode secondary. I am saying that I fully expect LSU to field the best secondary in the nation this year. Heck, every player in LSU's 2 deep Nickel secondary should see more than 2 yrs in the NFL.

AND, when those guys leave after their junior years there will be future NFL freshmen there to take their place once again. We call that DBU.

I truly doubt that Wiscy has a receiver that can see anything near decent production in this game and yet I don't have to look any farther than our two incoming freshman receivers to find LSU guys that can produce against them barring bad QB play.

Does that sound similar to you? Sounds like LSU is a huge favorite to totally shut down anything in Wiscy's passing game while they only needs average QB play to produce against the Badgers.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11875 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:25 am to
quote:

They are very similar . One thing you didn't mention is They have a strong secondary just like we do.


No no it isn't. We may not be able to take advantage of it but it is nowhere near as athletic as ours.

There is a reason Shaw went 22 of 25 for 312 yard 3/0 in the bowl game double digit victory.

No one is going 22/25 againt our CBs.... aint happening.
Posted by doze4
Greens burgs
Member since Aug 2007
1840 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:28 am to
quote:

You totally get it.

Well researched and written.



Bucky, you are probably gonna go away thinking that LSU has the cockiest fans in the country if you base it off of the interaction you get on the rant. Actually what you are seeing here on the rant is a large number of very young posters. We wean them here directly from the tit, to LSU Football.
You can usually tell by a cartoon avatar or a very remedial Sig quote. If that doesn't give it away, you can usually tell by bringing up reasonable points that get followed up by cocky one liners. It's not their fault, they just don't have the knowledge to get into an intelligent debate. The only thing They know about Wisconsin is cheese heads, & they vaguely remember Ron Dayne when they were in 3rd grade .
Posted by Malaysian Tiger
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:29 am to
Recruiting Ranking 2010 LSU 6 Wisconsin 88 Recruiting Ranking 2011 LSU 6 Wisconsin 40 Recruiting Ranking 2012 LSU 18 Wisconsin 57 Recruiting Ranking 2013 LSU 6 Wisconsin 57 Recruiting Ranking 2014 LSU 2 Wisconsin 33

This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 10:30 am
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11875 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:31 am to
quote:

Wisconsin kicked the shite out of the same Iowa team we struggled with in our bowl game.


7-6 at halftime with Gordon getting 62 yards all game is kicking the shite out of them?

We 'struggled'? The pick 6 made the game respectable - it was not close for the vast majority of the game.

And again, Wisky is about using massive physical size to bully unathletic defenses. When they play a real one, it is an L.






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