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Should police stop policing?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:12 am
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:24 am to LSUwag
So the only 2 options are rogue cops or none?
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:27 am to Revelator
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rouge cops or none?
Why do the cops have to be red? Racist.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:27 am to Revelator
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Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:29 am to LSUwag
I'm all for this. Can I be like a corn farmer and paid not to work during this experiment?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:31 am to LSUwag
It wll come to the point where white police will be prohibited from dealing with blacks.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:34 am to doublecutter
what people have asked to that police forces be disbanded? ...
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:39 am to LSUwag
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Perhaps we need to run a social experiment in a city somewhere in America where we stop police activity and see how it turns out.
Perhaps the Murray-Hill riot in Montreal would be a good starting point for you.
LINK
16 hours of no police force and Montreal turned into complete chaos.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:42 am to LSUwag
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I am making a valid point here that since the popular opinion is that police are not necessary, maybe we should have a social experiment to find out if this is true.
It's not a valid point. You are implying that since people are critical of certain police overreach that the alternative is to withdraw all police presence to prove a point. I say there is a middle ground which you seem to discount.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 10:58 am to LSUwag
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I am wondering if we have reached the point in America where police departments should just stop policing and responding to routine calls. Perhaps we need to run a social experiment in a city somewhere in America where we stop police activity and see how it turns out.
It needs to be somewhere with a controlled environment, a la Manhattan in Escape From New York.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 11:00 am to LSUwag
This thread is utterly ridiculous and only further exemplifies the need to hold police more accountable. Police are public servants. They are not our overlords. They do not giveth, thus they cannot taketh away.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 12:07 pm to LSUwag
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since the popular opinion is that police are not necessary
Not popular opinion at all.
Bad cops, militarized cops,cops with no knocks at 2 am, cops that shoot docs, cops that think they are above the law, those cops are not needed.
Cops that are intent on protecting and serving and treat people with as much respect as they are allowed, those cops are needed.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:36 pm to novabill
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Bad cops, militarized cops,cops with no knocks at 2 am, cops that shoot docs, cops that think they are above the law, those cops are not needed.
Cops that are intent on protecting and serving and treat people with as much respect as they are allowed, those cops are needed.
You think these guys will go ahead and let us know which kinds of cops they are before they graduate the academy?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:41 pm to Revelator
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So the only 2 options are rogue cops or none
yup...wyatt earp or nothing...why not andy Griffith?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 2:42 pm to LSUwag
So you are building a straw man in defense of government and you are the one bemoaning liberals? Look in the mirror.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:06 pm to Volmanac
This is not a rational response, but it is an understandable one.
Cops are out there trying to police high crime areas, which often have a higher proportion of minority residents. Most of the criminals they arrest in minority neighborhoods have committed crimes against other minorities.
Occasionally they get it wrong: get the wrong person or even get the right person but handle it wrong. This can build mistrust of the police. Which makes their job harder, which means having to cast a wider net, which increases the likelihood of something going wrong.
That's even if the intentions of the police are good. And let's face it while I truly believe most of the police force are good people, some proportion (10%, 5%? who knows) are not people who should have the kind of power they do.
So things can get bad pretty easily. And you can feel the ingratitude among the people you are trying to protect. And it can be galling. Which can build a bad attitude and make incidents even more likely.
But good cops just know that comes with the job.
Cops are out there trying to police high crime areas, which often have a higher proportion of minority residents. Most of the criminals they arrest in minority neighborhoods have committed crimes against other minorities.
Occasionally they get it wrong: get the wrong person or even get the right person but handle it wrong. This can build mistrust of the police. Which makes their job harder, which means having to cast a wider net, which increases the likelihood of something going wrong.
That's even if the intentions of the police are good. And let's face it while I truly believe most of the police force are good people, some proportion (10%, 5%? who knows) are not people who should have the kind of power they do.
So things can get bad pretty easily. And you can feel the ingratitude among the people you are trying to protect. And it can be galling. Which can build a bad attitude and make incidents even more likely.
But good cops just know that comes with the job.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:12 pm to LSUwag
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I am wondering if we have reached the point in America where police departments should just stop policing
They already have.
Policing involves working with the community. Today's "police" don't do that - they only work against.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:14 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Policing involves working with the community. Today's "police" don't do that - they only work against
motherfricker, I just upvoted a spidermantuba post
I'm either going to go home and shower or jump off of a building
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:14 pm to LSUwag
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Perhaps we need to run a social experiment in a city somewhere in America where we stop police activity and see how it turns out.
I seem to recall Harry Lee doing exactly this.
My recollection of what happened (AND I MIGHT BE WRONG)
I believe a community on the west bank said that the JPSO and Lee were discriminating in the manner in which they patrolled and dealt with the community at large. (Specifically Community Activist and various Reverends et et)
So Lee stopped patrolling.
They begged for it to return as the place quickly became out of control.
Does anyone else remember this?
I think it was late 80's early 90's
Posted on 8/15/14 at 4:19 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Policing involves working with the community. Today's "police" don't do that - they only work against.
Ugh. You're not helping. Extrapolating the actions of a few police officers to "the police" in general is as stupid, offensive, and dangerous as extrapolating the actions of a handful of looters to the entire minority community of Ferguson.
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