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If you don't think there is an agenda out there. (Hate Crimes)

Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:04 pm
Posted by rob0710
LA
Member since Oct 2004
244 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:04 pm
5,331 known offenders, 54.6 % were white and 23.3 % were black. F.B.I.

Yet the offending rate for blacks (24.7 offenders per 100,000) was seven times higher than the rate for whites (3.4 offenders per 100,000) Star Tribune
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 4:05 pm
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:07 pm to
This could mean that whites, if they commit a crime, like to commit hate crimes.

It means little without further context.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:25 pm to
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5,331 known offenders, 54.6 % were white and 23.3 % were black. F.B.I.

Yet the offending rate for blacks (24.7 offenders per 100,000) was seven times higher than the rate for whites (3.4 offenders per 100,000) Star Tribune






You're presuming black criminals should commit hate crimes in equal proportion to white criminals. Why?
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:30 pm to
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This could mean that whites, if they commit a crime, like to commit hate crimes.



See look OP, even CptBengal figured out your BS.
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:30 pm to
"Hate crimes" way to politically correct for me. What's the point.....you beat the crap out of someone....that's only sorta bad.....beat the crap out of someone you hate.....that's REALLY bad.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:32 pm to
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"Hate crimes" way to politically correct for me. What's the point.....you beat the crap out of someone....that's only sorta bad.....beat the crap out of someone you hate.....that's REALLY bad.



When your motive is to terrorize an entire race, sex, or religion, you are victimizing more than one person.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:33 pm to
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See look OP, even CptBengal figured out your BS.


See, fake scientist, this is where you yet again prove yourself a moron.

My point was not that it's BS, but that alone, these numbers prove/disprove nothing. However, you still failed to grasp what I put down, very succinctly, and very specifically in text.

It's truly amazing to watch you flail like a drowning victim at such easy concepts as reading....then claim to have a doctorate in physics.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:34 pm to
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My point was not that it's BS, but that alone, these numbers prove/disprove nothing


Right. Its bs.

Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:34 pm to
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My point was not that it's BS, but that alone, these numbers prove/disprove nothing


Right. Its bs.


wow, either you cant read at all, or you have a severe learning disability/mental retardation.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:36 pm to
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wow, either you cant read at all, or you have a severe learning disability/mental retardation.


No, I got it. You're saying its BS.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14497 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:50 pm to
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When your motive is to terrorize an entire race, sex, or religion, you are victimizing more than one person.


Applied in a very limited way, I agree. Burning a cross on someone's lawn is worse than just trespassing and destruction of property.

However, dragging a guy behind your truck because he is gay (or whatever) is not worse than cutting off someone's head because you are a serial killer. They are both heinous crimes against humanity.

Racial animus (or whatever) should be used as a contributing factor in the sentencing phase, it should not be a separate crime (except in a few cases like the cross burning above; but not really applicable to violent crimes).
Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
27592 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:00 pm to
you seem like the type who is a cuckold
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123942 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:21 pm to
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Hate Crimes
An unfortunate bastardization of law.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134865 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:25 pm to
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When your motive is to terrorize an entire race, sex, or religion, you are victimizing more than one person.



The problem is that local officials are allowed to apply the law whenever it's convenient rather than when it's applicable.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:25 pm to
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However, dragging a guy behind your truck because he is gay (or whatever) is not worse than cutting off someone's head because you are a serial killer.


It most certainly is if your intent is to terrorize all gays.


quote:

They are both heinous crimes against humanity.


One has a single victim. The other has thousands or millions.


quote:


Racial animus (or whatever) should be used as a contributing factor in the sentencing phase, it should not be a separate crime (except in a few cases like the cross burning above; but not really applicable to violent crimes).



And that's exactly what hate crime enhancements are. They add to the sentence of already illegal acts. They are not separate crime - there must be an underlying illegal act. Were you even aware of that?
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 5:27 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123942 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:33 pm to
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It most certainly is if your intent is to terrorize all gays.
As with Matthew Shepard?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134865 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:36 pm to
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As with Matthew Shepard?


I can't believe that narrative is still being spewed out as fact. I saw some new '90s show on VH1 and Melissa Ethridge was telling this tall tale.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34682 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:47 pm to
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Melissa Ethridge



Unbiased observer, right there.
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:49 pm to
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an agenda out there
cops always puttin it to the white man
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