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Drugs Inc. Tennessee: Sad Tale of a Corrupt police State
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:44 am
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:44 am
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The Tennessee police are seizing 50,000 dollar vehicles to be sold at auction over misdemeanor marijuana possession. They do not even have to file criminal charges to seize property, they only have to prove the owner of the property had knowledge or should have had knowledge of a potential crime.
In one scene the redneck drug task force laments that they are hurting from a lack of crimes to seize property, not happy that drug related arrests are down. With a shrinking pool of federal dollars they have begun prosecuting and seizing property for smaller and smaller offenses just to pay the salaries of their bloated task force.
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As the grower in the video says, what should be a $100 a pound weed now is $4,000. It's the fear tax. The compensation justified by the threat not only of arrest but also of asset forfeiture. There's one scene where cops seize a high end SUV for less than 1/2 oz of marijuana, a misdemeanor. They are excited to grab such a deal. Assets are auctioned to get money for more cops and more seizures in an endless cycle for drug war profits.
The Tennessee police are seizing 50,000 dollar vehicles to be sold at auction over misdemeanor marijuana possession. They do not even have to file criminal charges to seize property, they only have to prove the owner of the property had knowledge or should have had knowledge of a potential crime.
In one scene the redneck drug task force laments that they are hurting from a lack of crimes to seize property, not happy that drug related arrests are down. With a shrinking pool of federal dollars they have begun prosecuting and seizing property for smaller and smaller offenses just to pay the salaries of their bloated task force.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 8:45 am
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:46 am to Strannix
a few years ago i think TN made national news for some bullshite arising from their forfeiture policy
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:46 am to Strannix
I find it mind-boggling that forfeiture hasn't been struck down 9-0 by the Supremes.
Convict someone of a crime first and then you can talk about seizing assets.
Convict someone of a crime first and then you can talk about seizing assets.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:48 am to Bestbank Tiger
How can you possibly seize someone's property and not even file criminal charges?
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:53 am to Bestbank Tiger
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I find it mind-boggling that forfeiture hasn't been struck down 9-0 by the Supremes.
Convict someone of a crime first and then you can talk about seizing assets.
i believe that there is a USSC case from a year ago (iirc) that you will not be happy with
Posted on 8/10/14 at 8:59 am to Strannix
Typical case where the law is worse than the criminals. They should all be in jail.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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i believe that there is a USSC case from a year ago (iirc) that you will not be happy with
I'm sure there's more than one of those, but I assume you're referring to a forfeiture case
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:26 am to Strannix
So, what likely is coming down here...is that the cops watch these guys who don't even work, purchasing and riding around in high end autos and it's pretty obvious where the money to buy them comes from. So they just nullify the law, like Obama does re the Border and Immigration Law.
Beck spent a lot of time about some cop scenario wherein the rogue cop said that "Obama didn't follow the Constitution...so why should we". There it is. Respect for Law starts at the top. It's either the 'rule of law'...or the rule of the men with the biggest stick.
Power to the State? Pick your poison.
Beck spent a lot of time about some cop scenario wherein the rogue cop said that "Obama didn't follow the Constitution...so why should we". There it is. Respect for Law starts at the top. It's either the 'rule of law'...or the rule of the men with the biggest stick.
Power to the State? Pick your poison.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:42 am to Strannix
The question is; what are any of you going to do about it? You all love this police state, broken window theory bullshite until it looks like the gluttonous behemoth is coming at you.
But hey, look at how safe America has become. All of the criminals are in jail.
But hey, look at how safe America has become. All of the criminals are in jail.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:45 am to Bestbank Tiger
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I find it mind-boggling that forfeiture hasn't been struck down 9-0 by the Supremes.
Convict someone of a crime first and then you can talk about seizing assets.
A frickin men. CF is the single biggest threat to American liberty that exists today. Period. Not Al Quaeda, not poverty. It's Civil Forfeiture, plain and simple, and if people don't wake up to what's going on, it WILL do irreparable harm to the republic of our forefathers.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:48 am to Strannix
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How can you possibly seize someone's property and not even file criminal charges?
Welcome to America 2014, brother. Google civil forfeiture. Happens every day, everywhere (with the notable exception of North Carolina, where I believe CF is not allowed under state law
)Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:51 am to RCDfan1950
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It's either the 'rule of law'...or the rule of the men with the biggest stick.
I actually agree with you, and I guess at the end of the day it's better for the police to have the big stick than the street thugs, but you have to admit that when the government can take your property without having charged you with a crime (and it is YOU-not some abstract gang banger- they can take it from YOU) then there is a serious problem, and our founders' republic is sick.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:53 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Doubtful, Ram. The Cops/State will screw the wrong individual sooner or later...and they'll get the McVeigh treatment. At that point, they either go ahead full Authoritarian State model...or the retreat back to individual respect and Constitutional Rule of Law.
I honestly don't think we can trust the Supreme Court to hold the line any more. Think Roberts and Obamacare. It always come down to the people, and ultimately...where the Military stands. See Egypt/Morsi.
I honestly don't think we can trust the Supreme Court to hold the line any more. Think Roberts and Obamacare. It always come down to the people, and ultimately...where the Military stands. See Egypt/Morsi.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:58 am to Bestbank Tiger
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I'm sure there's more than one of those, but I assume you're referring to a forfeiture case
asset freezing, but read this shite
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Those details are puzzling. Kerri Kaley, who had a job with Ethicon selling medical devices to hospitals in the New York area, knew that hospital employees periodically would ask the company's sales representatives to take overstocked or outmoded devices off their hands. Seeing an opportunity to make some extra money, she and some of her colleagues began selling the devices, which no one else seemed to want, to a distributor in Miami.
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Prosecutors sought a forfeiture of more than $2 million, claiming it was proceeds from the Kaleys' crimes. A few days after admitting to a magistrate judge that only $140,000 could be traced to the medical device sales, they obtained a new indictment that included a money laundering charge. This allowed them to claim that any assets with which the proceeds had been mingled were subject to forfeiture because they had "facilitated" the concealment of ill-gotten gains.
and i won't make you look it up
the USSC upheld the decision, 6-3
and it was a fricked up 6-3
roberts, breyer, and the wise latina were the dissenters. super liberal kagan wrote the opinion of the court
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:16 am to SlowFlowPro
The worst thing about this very important discussion is that nobody with a large, national platform pays it the courtesy of much more than a brief mention.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:21 am to The Third Leg
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The worst thing about this very important discussion is that nobody with a large, national platform pays it the courtesy of much more than a brief mention.
this will be one of the planks of my senatorial campaign
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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this will be one of the planks of my senatorial campaign
You already have my vote.
Time to rein in the police.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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a few years ago i think TN made national news for some bullshite arising from their forfeiture policy
they were pulling cars over leaving the state and searching them for cash they could seize. anything over x amount of dollars would be taken even with no evidence of wrong doing. the interview I saw they took 10k from a guy and even after he proved it was obtained from the private sale of a car the podunk police department told him they would only give him back 6k of it. he was still fighting the department in court to get his full amount back.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:40 am to Alabama Slim
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they were pulling cars over leaving the state and searching them for cash they could seize. anything over x amount of dollars would be taken even with no evidence of wrong doing. the interview I saw they took 10k from a guy and even after he proved it was obtained from the private sale of a car the podunk police department told him they would only give him back 6k of it. he was still fighting the department in court to get his full amount back.
That's the story that always pops into my head when I hear Tennessee Law.
It's the same shite the mafia does when it comes to "protection" money.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:41 am to RCDfan1950
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So, what likely is coming down here...is that the cops watch these guys who don't even work, purchasing and riding around in high end autos and it's pretty obvious where the money to buy them comes from. So they just nullify the law, like Obama does re the Border and Immigration Law. Beck spent a lot of time about some cop scenario wherein the rogue cop said that "Obama didn't follow the Constitution...so why should we". There it is. Respect for Law starts at the top. It's either the 'rule of law'...or the rule of the men with the biggest stick.
christ, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with obama
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