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Unemployment claims continue to drop
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:33 am
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:33 am
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Fewer people sought U.S. unemployment benefits last week, as jobless claims remain at relatively low levels that point toward stronger economic growth. Weekly applications for unemployment aid fell 14,000 to a seasonally adjusted 289,000, the Labor Department said Thursday. The prior week's was revised up slightly to 303,000. The four-week average, a less volatile measure, fell 4,000 to 293,500. That's the lowest average since February 2006, almost two years before the Great Recession began at the end of 2007.
On phone so can't link article. It's on cbsnews.com
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:37 am to deltaland
Up last week, down this week? How is that a continuance?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:38 am to deltaland
great news if its true and holds on.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:39 am to deltaland
I was listening to the numbers on my ride into work this morning. One thing I heard was that salaries haven't risen. One thing I didn't hear was whether these new jobs were part-time or full-time.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:39 am to Hawkeye95
Not great news: more people have just quit looking for work and Gubmet money is easy to come by.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:41 am to Wtodd
Once you get on the disability train, no need to file unemployment claims.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:41 am to deltaland
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Weekly applications for unemployment aid fell 14,000
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The prior week's was revised up slightly to 303,000
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The four-week average, a less volatile measure, fell 4,000
So the 4 week average fell by 4,000...WHICH INCLUDES THE 14,000 FROM THIS WEEK!
Nevermind the previous weeks were all adjusted up as the 4 week average is only down 4k.
Jesus, for anyone with a modicum of mathematical skills this is pathetic spin.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:45 am to CptBengal
next they will tell us inflation is under control, another myth
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:46 am to CptBengal
Just to scratch the surface of what is going on...
Part Time Employment for Economic Reasons
Part Time vs Full Time
While employment is portraying a picture of imporovement the quality of improvement is what leads to the debate of is this actually the sign of a healthy economic recovery.
Part Time Employment for Economic Reasons
Part Time vs Full Time
While employment is portraying a picture of imporovement the quality of improvement is what leads to the debate of is this actually the sign of a healthy economic recovery.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:48 am to CptBengal
What caught my attention is the average is lowest since 2006 before the recession.
I would like to see the labor participation rate to find out if people are getting jobs or stopped looking for work. Last month showed strong hiring so if that is continuing this month then things are looking better
I would like to see the labor participation rate to find out if people are getting jobs or stopped looking for work. Last month showed strong hiring so if that is continuing this month then things are looking better
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:54 am to deltaland
Just some quick numbers, I don't have time to get the support...
Labor Force since around 2k8 is down about -240,000...however, working age population is up about 2,400,000.
There are SO MANY factors at play here...make no mistake the labor force was expected to shrink due to the baby boomers but i've seen estimates from conservatives and liberal with the range being attributed anywhere from 25% to 50% of this Labor Force Drop (2,400,00 - 233,000 = 1.6mm net labor force drop)...fairly wide range.
However, at the best, that still leaves a 50% unexpected drop in the labor force...I beleive that can be explained with these factors:
1.Discouraged workers stop looking for jobs
2.People retire because they cannot find jobs
3.People go back to school hoping it will improve their chances of getting a job
4.People stay in school longer because they cannot find a job
5.Disability and disability fraud
Not any ONE factor is responsible for this but a combination of them are.
Labor Force since around 2k8 is down about -240,000...however, working age population is up about 2,400,000.
There are SO MANY factors at play here...make no mistake the labor force was expected to shrink due to the baby boomers but i've seen estimates from conservatives and liberal with the range being attributed anywhere from 25% to 50% of this Labor Force Drop (2,400,00 - 233,000 = 1.6mm net labor force drop)...fairly wide range.
However, at the best, that still leaves a 50% unexpected drop in the labor force...I beleive that can be explained with these factors:
1.Discouraged workers stop looking for jobs
2.People retire because they cannot find jobs
3.People go back to school hoping it will improve their chances of getting a job
4.People stay in school longer because they cannot find a job
5.Disability and disability fraud
Not any ONE factor is responsible for this but a combination of them are.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 10:57 am
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:01 am to BaylorTiger
The school issue concerns me. If the economy doesn't rebound soon then all those kids staying in college longer will have massive student loan debt and no good jobs to get to pay it off
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:07 am to deltaland
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If the economy doesn't rebound soon
How long did it take for the recovery of the great depression? wasnt it like 7-10 years, depending on how you defined a recovery?
If this recession was roughly half as bad, youd expect revovery around 4-5 years which is right about where we are today.
just trying to put it in perspective. Anyone who expected a bouce back in a few years is dilusional.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:10 am to BaylorTiger
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Part Time Employment for Economic Reasons
In addition to not having to cover ACA. I know a few people who have been "reshuffled" in their companies to accommodate part time workers.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:19 am to Bard
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If you aren't engaged enough in being a citizen to possess a photo ID, then you have no business voting anyway.
I kind of like this sig quote.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:41 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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If this recession was roughly half as bad, youd expect revovery around 4-5 years which is right about where we are today.
I've seen numerous comparisons of post-recession numbers, not just great recession, and we are in WAY worse shape at this point and time. I've never seen anyone try and refute that.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:46 am to BobBoucher
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Anyone who expected a bouce back in a few years is dilusional.
Yes, and many here have stated that Obama was and still is delusional.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:04 pm to BaylorTiger
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I've seen numerous comparisons of post-recession numbers, not just great recession, and we are in WAY worse shape at this point and time. I've never seen anyone try and refute that.
Any facts to support your claims?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:13 pm to deltaland
No it doesn't, just because the government uses a BS formula doesn't mean unemployment is dropping. And anyone who doesn't acknowledge this is dumber than a brick.
61.7 percent of able bodied adults are working.
Just because someone gives up looking for a job via the government, doesn't mean they aren't looking or that they aren't unemployed.
61.7 percent of able bodied adults are working.
Just because someone gives up looking for a job via the government, doesn't mean they aren't looking or that they aren't unemployed.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:41 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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No it doesn't, just because the government uses a BS formula doesn't mean unemployment is dropping. And anyone who doesn't acknowledge this is dumber than a brick.
claims is a hard number. It can't be fudged.
Considering for the last few years we have been flirting with 400k, getting down below 300k is good.
And this is by far the biggest economic slowdown we have experienced since the great depression. Its natural that its taking this long to recover.
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