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Do Liberals/Progs/SJWs (whatvs) Just Have an Irrational Support of the Underdog?
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:36 pm
i was thinking about this while posting in one of the numerous israel/palestine threads
i'm going to say liberal in this thread, but i mean liberal/modern progressive/social justice warrior, etc when i use the term
liberals OVERWHELMINGLY support palestine, and the root of most of their arguments comes down to "it's not fair that Israel has the power to do all this stuff and palestine does not." this is how they justify the behaviors of palestine (like using civilians to shield operations and terrorists). it's as if they want israel to ignore their superior positioning, technology, training, etc and fight on the level of palestine's abilities OR give in to palestine's demands "for peace"
this same line of logic applies to domestic social issues. x-group is an underdog due to y-gap, so the z-dominant group is to blame. that institutional view of the world is basically one big way of rooting for the "underdog". also, the consistent policy goals accordingly require a redistribution (either of resources or power), because of a belief that x-group cannot compete on its own (again, shedding the concept of individuality)
i'm going to say liberal in this thread, but i mean liberal/modern progressive/social justice warrior, etc when i use the term
liberals OVERWHELMINGLY support palestine, and the root of most of their arguments comes down to "it's not fair that Israel has the power to do all this stuff and palestine does not." this is how they justify the behaviors of palestine (like using civilians to shield operations and terrorists). it's as if they want israel to ignore their superior positioning, technology, training, etc and fight on the level of palestine's abilities OR give in to palestine's demands "for peace"
this same line of logic applies to domestic social issues. x-group is an underdog due to y-gap, so the z-dominant group is to blame. that institutional view of the world is basically one big way of rooting for the "underdog". also, the consistent policy goals accordingly require a redistribution (either of resources or power), because of a belief that x-group cannot compete on its own (again, shedding the concept of individuality)
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Do Liberals/Progs/SJWs (whatvs) Just Have an Irrational Support of the Underdog?
No, just however is the most Anti-American.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
If progs have an irrational support of the underdog, then why the hell do they support the government? 
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
kind of like asking why they think people who gain power/wealth due it by negative behaviors, yet they support the government doing the same thing
or why they think that government power doesn't lead to the crony capitalism they decry, and the only way to end it is less government (while their solution is always to grant more power to government)
or why they think that government power doesn't lead to the crony capitalism they decry, and the only way to end it is less government (while their solution is always to grant more power to government)
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they think that government power doesn't lead to the crony capitalism they decry
I have a few Liberals in my family. I've asked them if they supported corporatism and they say "Hell no". Then, I asked them if they supported Obamacare, which enshrined corporatism as the law of the land. They say "Yep".
The bottom line is intellectual honesty is of ZERO importance to Liberals.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
I can't speak for libs but it's interesting that any criticism of Israel and our damaging relationship with that country and it's endless conflict we enable is considered pro-Palestinian. I find it to actually be a libertarian and a pro-US stance to point out how fricking weird it is that conservatives are so engrossed in this conflict and will believe any white wash story fed to them to excuse away Israeli violence against children.
I work in a very, very conservative industry and have gotten some pretty dreadful chain emails that basically said it's ok to kill Palestinian kids because they will grow up to be terrorists. Awesome.
I work in a very, very conservative industry and have gotten some pretty dreadful chain emails that basically said it's ok to kill Palestinian kids because they will grow up to be terrorists. Awesome.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:49 pm to stuntman
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Then, I asked them if they supported Obamacare, which enshrined corporatism as the law of the land. They say "Yep".
they just sound like they dislike "conservatives" more than they are liberals. liberals hate obamacare
they want single payor or a medicare-like system for everyone (whatever shade of grey they decide to call it that day)
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:50 pm to cwill
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I can't speak for libs but it's interesting that any criticism of Israel and our damaging relationship with that country and it's endless conflict we enable is considered pro-Palestinian. I find it to actually be a libertarian and a pro-US stance to point out how fricking weird it is that conservatives are so engrossed in this conflict and will believe any white wash story fed to them to excuse away Israeli violence against children.
israel and hamas are full of assholes
the palestinians who are not radical are the collateral damage, but in my view (and this applies outside of this conflict), it's their job to fight hamas so that israel (and it's collateral damage from being a cocksucker) doesn't
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
fascinating stuff SFP. No oversimplifications or sweeping generalizations at all
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they just sound like they dislike "conservatives" more than they are liberals. liberals hate obamacare
well this much is true
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP, how many Liberals did you see get pissed off about the SCOTUS decision on Obamacare?
Their silence said all I needed to know about their position on Obamacare. Also, who do they think government is going to buy the products from in a single payer system? It's still corporatism.
Their silence said all I needed to know about their position on Obamacare. Also, who do they think government is going to buy the products from in a single payer system? It's still corporatism.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:54 pm to stuntman
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SFP, how many Liberals did you see get pissed off about the SCOTUS decision on Obamacare?
Their silence said all I needed to know about their position on Obamacare.
Obamacare, in their eyes, is the first step. hell it's not even a secret these days. i see guests on MSNBC openly saying it's step 1 to single payor
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Also, who do they think government is going to buy the products from in a single payer system? It's still corporatism.
i'd imagine it is going to lead to quotas and erode the corporatism that you think will happen. it will hurt companies
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Do Liberals/Progs/SJWs (whatvs) Just Have an Irrational Support of the Underdog?
Liberals hate Western thought.
They hate capitalism.
And they desperately want a counterbalance to Western "democratic" capitalism in the world.
Now that Communism seems unlikely to provide that, Islam is the next best hope.
Also, the idea of the "noble savage" has existed since the classical age (and likely before) and the idealizing of the Islamist conflict with its opponents is appealing on this level to them.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
You just can't bear the Occam's Razor explanation, can you?... that Liberals/Progs/SJWs (whatvs) ACTUALLY care more about their fellow humans.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Do Liberals/Progs/SJWs (whatvs) Just Have an Irrational Support of the Underdog?
i would question your humanity if you don't root for the underdog
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:56 pm to stuntman
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SFP, how many Liberals did you see get pissed off about the SCOTUS decision on Obamacare?
which case are we talking about again? The one back in early 2012? I was more "happy" about that decision because Fox was so mad.
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Also, who do they think government is going to buy the products from in a single payer system? It's still corporatism.
I just want people to be able to act as consumers the same way they do when buying a car or a TV. If that were the case we'd actually get competitive pricing and costs would drop across the board.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:57 pm to Rex
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that Liberals/Progs/SJWs (whatvs) ACTUALLY care more about their fellow humans.
i didn't realize anyone questioned this
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:58 pm to cwill
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I can't speak for libs but it's interesting that any criticism of Israel and our damaging relationship with that country and it's endless conflict we enable is considered pro-Palestinian. I find it to actually be a libertarian and a pro-US stance to point out how fricking weird it is that conservatives are so engrossed in this conflict and will believe any white wash story fed to them to excuse away Israeli violence against children.
The opposite seems true as well from my perspective. I have seen the things you're saying. I've also seen people who believe you to be pro-Israel if you point out the awful record of Hamas with respect to human rights.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:59 pm to Rex
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that Liberals/Progs/SJWs (whatvs) ACTUALLY care more about their fellow humans.
that's like saying i hate competition in sports because some kids lose and may get their feelings hurt
do you care about the rich people your desired programs steal from? how can you be so cruel?
i believe that liberty, self-determination, and competition make people better and in turn, create more goods/services to enhance mankind. we've run 2 social experiments in the past 100 years to see what happens when you take a similar population and create a command economy that removes these concepts. western principles of liberty and competition won...handily
Posted on 8/6/14 at 5:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Obamacare, in their eyes, is the first step. hell it's not even a secret these days. i see guests on MSNBC openly saying it's step 1 to single payor
That's what I mean. Liberals were not upset w/ Obamacare. Sure, they give lip-service and say "it's not nearly enough", but their reaction to the SCOTUS decision gave them away.
Government still has to buy the meds and equipment from somebody. It will still be politicians choosing winners and losers in the market. It's still going to be corporatism.
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