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Motherwell should be investigated for match fixing by UEFA
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:30 pm
Motherwell, who consistently end up second in Scotland, have now gone 10 matches without a win in European competition.
Before somebody comes in and says "Scotland sucks," Scottish clubs outside of Motherwell and Hibs (embarrassed last year before getting relegated), normally do at least decently in the early playoff rounds (this year St. Johnstone and Aberdeen have advanced). Before McCall became manager, even Motherwell performed well in Europe.
This season deserves special attention. They played Icelandic club Stjarnan (sp?), a part-time club whose matches are played in a public park. Over the two legs, Motherwell Midfielder Lasley conceded three penalties.
Why are they match fixing? The pre-group rounds of UEFA competitions cost more money to clubs than they bring in. Motherwell has decided that going out early is better than going out later. They also know that UEFA won't look into them. It's shameful. UEFA, do your job.
Before somebody comes in and says "Scotland sucks," Scottish clubs outside of Motherwell and Hibs (embarrassed last year before getting relegated), normally do at least decently in the early playoff rounds (this year St. Johnstone and Aberdeen have advanced). Before McCall became manager, even Motherwell performed well in Europe.
This season deserves special attention. They played Icelandic club Stjarnan (sp?), a part-time club whose matches are played in a public park. Over the two legs, Motherwell Midfielder Lasley conceded three penalties.
Why are they match fixing? The pre-group rounds of UEFA competitions cost more money to clubs than they bring in. Motherwell has decided that going out early is better than going out later. They also know that UEFA won't look into them. It's shameful. UEFA, do your job.
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 3:43 pm to TN Bhoy
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:03 pm to TN Bhoy
So it's match fixing to just tank early and save their squad for Scottish Cups and League play? Maybe they don't have to depth (or money required to create the depth) to effectively play a European schedule as well as their normal schedule.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:12 pm to Goose
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So it's match fixing to just tank early and save their squad for Scottish Cups and League play?
Yes. Tanking destroys the integrity of the competition. IMO, it should also be punished in other sports.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:23 pm to TN Bhoy
Would you feel better if teams were just able to forfeit prior to the game or give their spot to the next place team?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:33 pm to Goose
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Would you feel better if teams were just able to forfeit prior to the game or give their spot to the next place team?
If it also entailed a points deduction in their domestic league and a forfeiture of funds.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:41 pm to TN Bhoy
The "I'm not saying, I'm just saying" in me would question match fixing as it went to ET. If you are just wanting out, you dont score 2 away from home
Posted on 7/28/14 at 4:49 pm to TN Bhoy
they have any players worth a damn? havent really followed them since james mcfadden was coming through there
Posted on 7/28/14 at 5:00 pm to S
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they have any players worth a damn? havent really followed them since james mcfadden was coming through there
Serviceable. Vigurs and Ainsworth are above average, but the squad mainly relies on older players (Lasley, McManus, etc.). McFadden's actually back there, if you can believe it. Aberdeen and Dundee United should jump them in the very near future (Aberdeen should have finished second last season).
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:42 pm to TN Bhoy
In any case, Rangers will be back after this season, and they'll be right up there with you after a couple more. So you won't have to bitch about Motherwell anymore.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:50 pm to Goose
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So you won't have to bitch about Motherwell anymore.
how the mighty have fallen
Posted on 7/28/14 at 6:52 pm to TN Bhoy
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If it also entailed a points deduction in their domestic league and a forfeiture of funds.
why?
a. teams should be able to punt/forfeit if they so desire. any punishment should come from within the team itself
b. why would that behavior spill into a different set of competition under a different authority? if UEFA wants to ban them from that particular competition for a set period of time, then fine, that's both logical and follows the authority of governance
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:21 pm to TN Bhoy
Um...it's pretty common to field a lesser squad in cup competitions. Granted, most teams don't do so for European competitions, but prioritizing competitions is not the same as match fixing. It's impossible to send out your best XI every week. If any governing body took steps to require a team to do so in their competitions that would be ridiculous.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:54 pm to DoreonthePlains
Udinese has done this for years whenever it qualifies for a European competition.
It continuously buys low for emerging South American and African talent, and then sells high to super clubs. Then Udinese, still very much a provincial team, effectively fields youth teams + Di Natale in early round Europa League fixtures. The Udinese management realized that it could make more from transfers, than it could from advancing in the Europa League.
It's become pretty apparent when the Italian UEFA coefficient dropped so much over the past few years, despite AC Milan, Inter, Juve and even Fiorentina doing quite well in the competition.
It continuously buys low for emerging South American and African talent, and then sells high to super clubs. Then Udinese, still very much a provincial team, effectively fields youth teams + Di Natale in early round Europa League fixtures. The Udinese management realized that it could make more from transfers, than it could from advancing in the Europa League.
It's become pretty apparent when the Italian UEFA coefficient dropped so much over the past few years, despite AC Milan, Inter, Juve and even Fiorentina doing quite well in the competition.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:05 pm to Goose
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In any case, Rangers will be back after this season
They're dead.
And the tribute act won't win the Championship. And even if they make it up through the playoff, they won't compete with Celtic for about a decade. And in that time, Aberdeen and Dundee United will solidify their places.
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So you won't have to bitch about Motherwell anymore.
Motherwell's been competing in Europe since well before Rangers died. Their shittiness in Europe has made it so that Celtic would have to make the round of 16 for 10 straight seasons for the Scottish coefficient to rise.
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a. teams should be able to punt/forfeit if they so desire. any punishment should come from within the team itself
Wrong. European competition directly affects the domestic league's coefficient.
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b. why would that behavior spill into a different set of competition under a different authority? if UEFA wants to ban them from that particular competition for a set period of time, then fine, that's both logical and follows the authority of governance
I'm not saying UEFA should fine them and deduct points for forfeiture, I'm saying the SPFL (or insert domestic league here) should, because their forfeiture negatively impacts the domestic league.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:17 pm to thenry712
now udinese is supplying watford with endless italian loan deals
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:46 pm to S
Yeah, Udinese sells all of its elite talent and then loans out the rest of them. Di Natale must really love him some northeastern Italy to stay there since 2004.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 1:16 am to TN Bhoy
So basically what you're saying is I should bet heavily against Motherwell
Posted on 7/29/14 at 1:41 am to TN Bhoy
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They're dead.
And the tribute act won't win the Championship. And even if they make it up through the playoff, they won't compete with Celtic for about a decade. And in that time, Aberdeen and Dundee United will solidify their places.
in reality Bhoy is scared
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