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The Russian Propaganda machine is in full spin already : Update
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:31 pm
Just look at RT news
LINK
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Groups that are fighting Kiev’s forces in eastern Ukraine have rejected any involvement in the incident, as there are reports that the plane was shot down.
The Donetsk People’s Republic claims its self-defense forces simply don’t have such military equipment.
Donetsk People's Republic PM Aleksandr Boroday has called the incident a “provocation by the Ukrainian military”.
“We confirm that the plane crashed not far from Donetsk,” Boroday said. “Representatives of Donetsk People's Republic have headed to the scene of the plane search.”
“Self-defense forces have no air-defense, which could target transport aircraft at that height,” he told Interfax.
“We have only MANPADs (portable anti-aircraft missile complex) which hit targets at 3-4 kilometers,” Sergey Kavtaradze, representative for Donetsk People’s Republic PM, also told journalists.
Russia’s military also says none of its military planes have been flying close to the Russia-Ukraine border on Thursday, RIA Novosti reported citing a military official.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 12:07 pm
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:32 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Of course. Some of the posters here probably blog with RT. 
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:51 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I don't see any propaganda there buddy, but keep telling yourself that.
The Russians are simply quoting the Rebels and their claims. Only thing Russia claimed was they hadn't flown any jets in the area today.
Of course, anyone providing quotes and claims from the other side is purely a propaganda machine.
The Russians are simply quoting the Rebels and their claims. Only thing Russia claimed was they hadn't flown any jets in the area today.
Of course, anyone providing quotes and claims from the other side is purely a propaganda machine.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:57 pm to Geauxgurt
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I don't see any propaganda there buddy, but keep telling yourself that.
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Donetsk People's Republic PM Aleksandr Boroday has called the incident a “provocation by the Ukrainian military”.
righttttttttttttttt
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:01 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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righttttttttttttttt
Did the rebel PM say that? Is there something wrong with reporting it? You seriously don't understand how reporting works, do you?
Shocker.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:21 pm to Geauxgurt
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President Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile - sources
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“I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.
"The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added.
sad this is sad
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:22 pm to Geauxgurt
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I don't see any propaganda there buddy, but keep telling yourself that.
And the Russians never lie.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:30 pm to StraightCashHomey21
LOL if you don't think the U.S. has a propoganda machine. Hell, we have posters on here who openly cheer the killing of Palestinian children as a just cause. Talk about falling victim to propaganda.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:32 pm to Numberwang
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LOL if you don't think the U.S. has a propoganda machine. Hell, we have posters on here who openly cheer the killing of Palestinian children as a just cause. Talk about falling victim to propaganda.
Im watching BBC anyway much better than that shite back home. Also watch VICE which gets in the shite like others won't.
Yes I know people are rooting about kids getting killed but thats not what this thread is about. The Russian state ran news is a joke.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:38 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Refreshing to hear foreign propaganda instead of domestic propaganda for a change.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:43 pm to hawkster
This could prove to be significant:
from BBC
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Ukrainian media have broadcast audio purported to be conversations intercepted by the Security Service between pro-Russian militants, in which several men talk about having shot down a civilian plane.
from BBC
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 7/18/14 at 7:59 am to BobBoucher
RT delivers again
Do they really think people will believe their spin that Ukraine shot this down
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On Thursday, when a Malaysian Airlines plane was apparently shot down over Ukraine, a Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational in the region, the Russian Defense Ministry said, contradicting Kiev’s statements.
The battery was deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner, the ministry said in a statement. It said radiation from the battery’s radar was detected by the Russian military.
“The Russian equipment detected throughout July 17 the activity of a Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla [a village some 30km south of Donetsk],” the ministry said in a statement.
Do they really think people will believe their spin that Ukraine shot this down
Posted on 7/21/14 at 12:09 pm to StraightCashHomey21
LINK
Yup the Ukraine Airforce shot it down
Russia is down right pathetic.
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The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
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A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday
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[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.
“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”
The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.
At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.
Yup the Ukraine Airforce shot it down
Russia is down right pathetic.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 12:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Russia needs to keep their story straight if they want anyone to believe it. They can't say it was Ukrainian antiaircraft and then a few days later say it was a Ukrainian jet. If they can learn anything from politicians in the US, it is to keep your lies consistent.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 12:19 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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The Donetsk People’s Republic claims its self-defense forces simply don’t have such military equipment.
Not anymore. There was footage of the Russians taking the Buk out of Eastern Ukraine on a flatbed after the incident.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 12:21 pm to StraightCashHomey21
There is an article out there i read this morning indicating an inside source mentioned 2 Ukranian fighters where escorting MH17 - as they had been doing with numerous flights over Ukraine recently.
That would support the assertion that a Ukranian fighter was in the area. But not that a Buk missle battery system had been activiated on the ground - something the Russians surely saw as well, yet make no mention of.
That would support the assertion that a Ukranian fighter was in the area. But not that a Buk missle battery system had been activiated on the ground - something the Russians surely saw as well, yet make no mention of.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 1:17 pm to BobBoucher
So MH17 was flying at 10k meters, Russia claiming the SU-25 could have shot it down while flying along next to it. Yet per the company who builds the jet the SU-25 can only fly up to 7k meters.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 1:21 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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RT news
The station where an anchor just quit at the end of her broadcast due to pro-Russian bias being pushed behind the scenes? That RT? However could you think there would be propaganda there?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 1:22 pm to Bard
RT makes FOX and MSNBC look good
Posted on 7/21/14 at 1:53 pm to Numberwang
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LOL if you don't think the U.S. has a propoganda machine. Hell, we have posters on here who openly cheer the killing of Palestinian children as a just cause. Talk about falling victim to propaganda
I do not want any Palestinian children to die, I don't want any Israeli children to die either.
So tell the Palestinians to rise up and overthrow the Hamas goons in the neighborhoods and while they are at it ask the Israelis to help them.
That would go a long way to bring peace to the region.
But we know that's never going to happen don't we????
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