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Snag with Asik trade?

Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:57 am
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:57 am
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Houston reportedly agreed before the draft to trade Asik to the Pelicans for a future first-round pick. The deal was slated to become official after the July moratorium, which ended last night.

At the time the trade was agreed upon, it wasn’t exactly clear how New Orleans would clear the cap space to absorb Asik, who has a cap number of $8,374,646. It seemed simple enough, though.

The Pelicans could waive the unguaranteed contracts of Melvin Ely and Luke Babbitt, use the stretch provision on Austin Rivers , Alexis Ajinca and Jeff Withey (even after his salary became $100,000 guaranteed July 6) and renounce all their free agents, and they’d have enough room based on the projected salary cap to take Asik – with $32,772 to spare below their post-trade team-salary limit ($100,00 above the salary cap).

Maybe New Orleans didn’t want to dump Rivers, Ajinca and Withey for no return. But the Pelicans could, theoretically, at least assure Houston they’d take such measures if no trades emerged.

However, the actual salary cap came in $135,000 lower than the projected salary cap. Suddenly, that $32,772 room for error is gone.

Now, that set of transactions leaves New Orleans $102,228 shy of having enough room for the trade
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Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:58 am to
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:58 am to
Germans?
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
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Member since May 2009
80170 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:59 am to
I don't think so
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61479 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:00 am to
Not a snag. We were never going to dump assets to create enough cap space to absorb Asik. That gets rid of all of your bench player and costs you the MLE. The path to Asik has always been making it a 3way trade where all we have to do is send out about $5.5 million in contracts.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115736 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:00 am to
quote:

use the stretch provision on Austin Rivers , Alexis Ajinca and Jeff Withey


we weren't ever going to do that
Posted by oncealurker
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2013
5061 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:04 am to
So no SF?
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
Pelicans, Saints, & LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
80170 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:05 am to
quote:

So no SF?



Aminu
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
37577 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:07 am to
quote:

Not a snag. We were never going to dump assets to create enough cap space to absorb Asik. That gets rid of all of your bench player and costs you the MLE. The path to Asik has always been making it a 3way trade where all we have to do is send out about $5.5 million in contracts.


So do you think its not going to happen?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61479 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:11 am to
quote:

So do you think its not going to happen?


It's happening, but the specific mechanism this article is focused on was never the mechanism we were going to use to get Asik. Luke Babbit and his voidable contract appears to be gone despite being on the Summer League roster. That points to one of 2 things happening soon.

1) Trade Rivers + Melvin Ely + Babbit + another scrub (Ajinca?) to a 3rd team, hopefully for a future 1st
2) Sign and Trade Smith/Aminu/Roberts + Ely + Babbit to a 3rd team

This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 11:12 am
Posted by TheJruth
New Orleans - Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2014
323 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:19 am to
With the premium being placed on shooting around the league I would not be surprised if Babbitt has been traded. Say to Miami for a future 1st. How much worse is Babbitt than an injured Mike Miller?
Posted by chesty
Flap City C.C.
Member since Oct 2012
12731 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:33 am to
We just can't catch a break
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11893 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:41 am to
That article is so flawed. I cannot see how his numbers even work unless he is not accounting properly for the cap holds on the empty roster spots.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61479 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:45 am to
I just went and checked the numbers and to take Asik in with cap room only requires cutting all ties to FAs and dumping Rivers. I get $8,570,481
in cap space after dumping Rivers. So yes, this article is not only wrong in it's focus, it's also wrong on it's facts.

Gordon $14,898,958
Evans $11,265,416
Holiday $10,404,495
Anderson $8,491,500
Davis $5,607,240
Withey $816,482
Ajinca $981,084
Hold $507,336
Hold $507,336
Hold $507,336
Hold $507,336
----------------------
Total $54,494,519
Cap $63,065,000
Cap Space $8,570,481

This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 11:51 am
Posted by danman6336
Member since Jan 2005
19439 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:50 am to
Cool so the Asik deal isn't going down either

This off season is the fricking worst
Posted by JayJay2
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Member since Jul 2010
15359 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:53 am to
Posted by chesty
Flap City C.C.
Member since Oct 2012
12731 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:53 am to
Eric Gordon had better sacrifice himself at the alter of pierre. I'd seriously take a first and any player with a pulse, not named Brian Roberts.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40124 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 12:05 pm to
quote:

So no SF?



Aminu


Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11893 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

I just went and checked the numbers and to take Asik in with cap room only requires cutting all ties to FAs and dumping Rivers. I get $8,570,481 in cap space after dumping Rivers. So yes, this article is not only wrong in it's focus, it's also wrong on it's facts. Gordon $14,898,958 Evans $11,265,416 Holiday $10,404,495 Anderson $8,491,500 Davis $5,607,240 Withey $816,482 Ajinca $981,084 Hold $507,336 Hold $507,336 Hold $507,336 Hold $507,336 ---------------------- Total $54,494,519 Cap $63,065,000 Cap Space $8,570,481
You can dump Withey (except $100,000 which is guaranteed I think) and add 2 cap holds (have to be at 12 spots). That should get it back close to the number the article was trying to get to (although they were using the stretch provisions and assuming the player contracts disappeared I think).
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61479 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

have to be at 12 spots


But Asik slides into that 12th spot so the hold disappears or is applied towards him, so you really only need 11 holds.
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