- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
So if amnesty didn't work the first go around why would it work now?
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:06 am
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:06 am
I'm pretty ignorant about the details of Reagan's amnesty but wasn't the agreement to allow amnesty in exchange for strengthening the border with the latter never occurring?
Someone give me a good reason for it to work now when it didn't work then
Someone give me a good reason for it to work now when it didn't work then
6
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:08 am to Wishnitwas1998
It won't
Politicians on both sides know it won't
It's not supposed to work
For democrats its supposed to provide more votes and expand the permanent underclass needed for their policies to gain traction
For Republicans its about cheap labor and a payoff to their Chamber of Crony Capitalism overlords.
Politicians on both sides know it won't
It's not supposed to work
For democrats its supposed to provide more votes and expand the permanent underclass needed for their policies to gain traction
For Republicans its about cheap labor and a payoff to their Chamber of Crony Capitalism overlords.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:10 am to goldennugget
quote:
It won't
Politicians on both sides know it won't
It's not supposed to work
For democrats its supposed to provide more votes and expand the permanent underclass needed for their policies to gain traction
For Republicans its about cheap labor and a payoff to their Chamber of Crony Capitalism overlords.
This
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:49 am to Wishnitwas1998
quote:
So if amnesty didn't work the first go around why would it work now?
Doesn't matter.
The free market decides how many people cross. Its simple math.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:50 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:
The free market
Where does this exist?
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:53 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:
The free market decides how many people cross. Its simple math.
You are correct, sir, only it's "the market" not "the free market" because the current market conditions are far from free. It would be "free" (or at least "free-er") if there was no welfare state and no minimum wage laws. You can have a welfare state with closed borders, or no welfare state with open borders. You can't have both.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:02 pm to kingbob
quote:
You are correct, sir, only it's "the market" not "the free market" because the current market conditions are far from free.
you're right.
the "free market" cannot exist in reality.
its a model used by economists to simplify theory.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:06 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:
I'm pretty ignorant about the details of Reagan's amnesty but wasn't the agreement to allow amnesty in exchange for strengthening the border with the latter never occurring?
Pretty sure you answered your own question. Amnesty would prbly have been alright if more people would not have come in. Illegal immigration will be an issue as long as there are illegal immigrants.
currently, i don't know of a viable solution that would not include a track for allowing illegals to become citizens and would not include a way to prevent more illegals from coming in.
If it doesn't have both components, i dont think we are really fixing the problem. Unless you cut off the reason the are coming, $, and that would seem to be pretty difficult.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:06 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:
you're right.
the "free market" cannot exist in reality.
its a model used by economists to simplify theory.
Essentially. The "free-ness" of a market is all relative. Ours with regards to immigration, particularly on the labor side, is extremely un-free, offering illegals a huge inherent advantage over legal immigrants and citizens. They can work for less than the minimum wage. No one else can do that without the IRS or other regulatory agencies cracking down on them.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:09 pm to kingbob
quote:
huge inherent advantage
Exactly, Huge part of the problem. It could be fixed by hammering employers of illegals but people are always going to break the law. It could be fixed by removing the minimum wage, but i doubt people would really start flocking to the jobs that illegals are doing for cheap. It could be fixed by amnesty, but i would imagine more immigrants will come in and take the jobs that they were doing.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:14 pm to petar
quote:
i doubt people would really start flocking to the jobs that illegals are doing for cheap.
They would if there were no entitlements that make not working more comfortable than doing shite work for shite pay.
When it's work or starve, you'd be surprised how often people pick work.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:25 pm to Wishnitwas1998
It's not supposed to work. It's a Dem voter registration drive.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:28 pm to Wishnitwas1998
quote:
So if amnesty didn't work the first go around why would it work now?
What are you talking about? It worked great for Democrats.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:30 pm to kingbob
quote:
They would if there were no entitlements that make not working more comfortable than doing shite work for shite pay.
well thats an unrealistic scenario
You are prbly right for the most part. I know zero or almost zero on this board agrees with me, but i think the entitlement problem is a touch overstated and don't think that it is as abused as some would make it out to be. (Like the drug test results being lower than the national average even though some people will still claim that people on welfare are all on drugs.)
Either way, it does need some reform and i don't think too many would disagree with that.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:46 pm to petar
quote:
I know zero or almost zero on this board agrees with me, but i think the entitlement problem is a touch overstated and don't think that it is as abused as some would make it out to be
They disagree with you for a reason. Come to Baton Rouge. You will see fraud like you never believed was possible. It's so easy. I know so many people who do it. They live so easy. Working hard and paying taxes really is a sucker's bet.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:55 pm to Wishnitwas1998
quote:
Someone give me a good reason for it to work now when it didn't work then
We have two problems: How to stop new illegal immigrants from coming in, and what to do with the ones we are here.
The end result of Reagan's work was it fixed the second problem, but not the first, at least not for the long term.
Any immigration solution must deal with both of those problems. If it only deals with one... it won't work.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:57 pm to petar
quote:
but i think the entitlement problem is a touch overstated and don't think that it is as abused as some would make it out to be. (Like the drug test results being lower than the national average even though some people will still claim that people on welfare are all on drugs.)
The problem here, is this is a regional issue. Your profile says you are in Miami... perhaps it is not bad out there. It's terrible in Louisiana. It wasn't nearly as bad in Houston. I have this discussion with northerners all the time. There may not be welfare queens up there, but there certainly are here.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 1:05 pm to kingbob
quote:
Come to Baton Rouge. You will see fraud like you never believed was possible.
I have been many times and lived in BR shortly and in jackson mississippi for several years before moving to Miami.
I know it happens, not disagreeing with that. I know its abused, but i don't believe it is as high of a level as people on this board and others who vocal about it make it out to be
Maybe because i have seen people on both sides cry wolf about emotional issues like these too much.
But the drug testing was not a good idea. It cost more money than saved and revealed that welfare recipients are using drugs less than others. But still many call for this.
(I know I've used this example twice, but i cant think of another right now but im sure anyone can give me an Obama/dem example of crying wolf about a basic non issue. its Monday after a long holiday weekend
) I know its unfair and unintelligent of me to dismiss most of the issues like this because of seeing people cry wolf about things that are obviously flawed. Most people are idiots and will go with a "they took our jobs" mentality, and you are Im sure are not as you seem to have a grasp of basic thought unlike many and don't seem to be a chicken little.
But like i said, i know it happens. But i dont think its a huge issue. Granted i don't know how i would educate myself to realize its more of an issue than i think it is.
quote:
It's so easy. I know so many people who do it. They live so easy
Not trying to call you out, even though i basically am, How do you know its fraud/ its easy/ a lot of people do it/ etc?
Do you work in an industry that has to deal with these types or know studies or what?
Posted on 7/7/14 at 1:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
Your profile says you are in Miami... perhaps it is not bad out there. It's terrible in Louisiana. It wasn't nearly as bad in Houston. I have this discussion with northerners all the time. There may not be welfare queens up there, but there certainly are here.
It might be bad in Miami. I really just have no idea. I realize there are some out there and yea i have seen the bogus "food Stamp card used for outrageous stuff such as lobster" situation. or seen people use them and then get into a nicer car than mine. But i guess don't know how to really gauge the enormity of the problem. I know the problem exists but how big is it?
Posted on 7/7/14 at 1:19 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:
The free market decides how many people cross. Its simple math.
I thought you were the big Global Warming guy on the board? You want more people coming here using more resources? Driving more cars, paving more roads and parking lots, building more houses, using more energy?
There are no more resources to support the populations in their country so they are coming here. To boot they get free healthcare, school and food.
Page 1 of 2
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News