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Yahoo! : Have we been reading the Declaration of Independence all wrong?

Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:39 pm
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15652 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:39 pm
Apparently, the existence of a period may or may not change Jefferson's view of the role of government versus individual rights:

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First, let's pinpoint what's in question here. The official transcription from the National Archives reads (emphasis ours):

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

See that period? According to Princeton professor Danielle Allen, it's not actually in the original document. If she's right, then the individual rights of "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" would share a sentence with what follows:

— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Allen, speaking to the Times, argues that Thomas Jefferson intended to emphasize the second part of this passage — the role of the government — equally with the individual rights in the first part. Instead, with the period in place, there's an implied hierarchy. So you can begin to see how one little punctuation mark's presence or absence could become the subject of heated debate among those who have strong opinions about the role of government as it concerns individual liberty. Although the punctuation mark is still very much up for debate among experts, Allen has convinced several scholars that she might be on to something. The National Archives told the Times that they "want to take advantage of this possible new discovery" and find a way to re-examine the incredibly fragile original Declaration of Independence.


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Forget the context provided by the Federalist Papers and what's actually written in the Constitution. Jefferson's penmanship in the Declaration of Independence will determine the role of government according to Yahoo!
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 11:40 pm
Posted by StrangeBrew
Salvation Army-Thanks Obama
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:51 pm to
This is just so retarded, I am sad. :wha:
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69251 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:54 pm to
I fail to see how the sentiment changes based on the lack of a period.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62375 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:57 pm to
We do need to change this gov't, period!
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20106 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 12:02 am to
quote:

I fail to see how the sentiment changes based on the lack of a period.


It doesn't change a thing, IMO.
Posted by TheFolker
Member since Aug 2011
5182 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 12:23 am to
So, after 238 years of analysis by legal and political scholars from all over the world this professor is smarter than them all?
Posted by Malik Agar
Member since Nov 2012
12076 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 12:37 am to
So he's figured out what no other American has since this Country was founded?







Posted by tysonslefthook
Near Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1218 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 12:45 am to
quote:

-That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,


As usual, crickets on this passage. And they still the the 2A is for hunting and self defense from fellow citizens
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 12:45 am to
So let me guess: this "scholar" wants to use this "discovery" as a pretext to implement radical change (read as: socialist government)? Didn't the new progressives / German imperialist sympathizers of the 1910s already try this and fail?
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 12:46 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64955 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 2:38 am to
Let's forget the fact that Jefferson was an Anti-Federalist and Democratic-Republican, both of which supported limited government and both of which believed in the primacy of the individual states.

This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 2:39 am
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42520 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:28 am to
quote:

I fail to see how the sentiment changes based on the lack of a period.

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It doesn't change a thing, IMO.

Nor I - I have read it both ways looking for a disconnect or change of emphasis.

Tain't there.

does Rex work at Yahoo?? This is right in his wheelhouse = an irrelevant semantic argument.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 3:29 am
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42520 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:34 am to
quote:

Although the punctuation mark is still very much up for debate among experts, Allen has convinced several scholars that she might be on to something.

So this woman is getting pissy about a missed period?

Sounds about right.
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:39 am to
Yahoo;dr
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9044 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 5:39 am to


Too bad for this professor, the D of I was written by Jefferson!

That's probably the worst founding father she could possibly have to corroborate her little theory.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9044 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 5:42 am to
quote:

So this woman is getting pissy about a missed period?


I just woke up 15 minutes ago, but you, sir, have already made today worthwhile.

Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:55 am to
quote:

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:56 am to
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ChineseBandit58




Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
31633 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 6:57 am to
I hope you all realize that this "article" was just a troll, click-bait piece.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98490 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:17 am to
Holy shite! That is one dumb woman.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90502 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:23 am to
If he is going to be that picky then it's obvious to me that, according to the document, only men are created equal therefore only the individual rights of men, not women, should be protected
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