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Why do Japan and South Korea have better national teams than China?

Posted on 6/27/14 at 12:16 am
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 12:16 am
China has close to 1.4 billion people and excell in Olympic sports. Why are the Japanese and South Korean teams so much far superior to them?

Is soccer just not popular in China? Do they have any players who play in Europe?

Do they not have sports academies for soccer ?

This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 12:19 am
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 12:17 am to
time.
give them time.
Posted by SwaggerCopter
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 12:27 am to
This really is crazy. But my guess is that China will be awesome within 20 years.

But I will say that they love basketball, but aren't really excelling.

You have to have the athletes for it. And the same goes for soccer. If they don't have quick players, it's hard to be great.

South Korea even struggles to have top talent that can do damage in the attacking third. Although I will say that Son Heung-min is super athletic.

Stuff like gymnastics takes some athleticism, but a lot of it is incredible discipline, which they have.
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 12:31 am
Posted by MikeyFL
Las Vegas, NV
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:12 am to
The Chinese people love soccer, but developing talent through a professional league is currently impossible because of endemic corruption.

Here's a New Yorker article about the topic.

quote:

Imagine if David Stern, after his retirement as commissioner of the N.B.A., was led off in leg irons for taking bribes. His predecessor goes with him on a ten-year hitch behind bars. And, for good measure, throw in a couple of members of the winningest team in international competition—let’s say, Magic and Jordan from the 1992 Olympic team—sent away for half a dozen years each, along with scores of top-level referees, team officials, and other players, all jailed for taking bribes and fixing games.

That gives you a sense of the scale of housecleaning underway in the spectacularly rotten world of Chinese soccer. In the most senior convictions yet, two former national-league chiefs were jailed last week for ten and a half years. (If you want to know whether police have been told to take this seriously, reflect on the insistence of one of them, Xie Yalong, that he only admitted to corruption because he was tortured.) The former national-team captain is going away, as are four members of the only Chinese squad ever to reach the finals of the World Cup. Even China’s most famous referee, Lu Jun (the Golden Whistle), is now behind bars for taking more than a hundred and twenty-eight thousand dollars in bribes to fix seven games. In total, fifty-six high-level soccer figures have gone to jail since the nation’s largest crackdown on soccer corruption began three years ago, and as the campaign “draws to [a] close,” the government is eager to project a sense of a new day. Even China’s incoming President, Xi Jinping, has stated his desire for the country to set its sights on a World Cup trophy.


Here's also a much more extensive article from the Economist. One gem from the article:

quote:

When, in 2008, milk powder from the Chinese company Sanlu was found to have been tainted with melamine, causing a national scandal, the joke was: “Sanlu milk, the exclusive milk of the Chinese national football team!”


IMG is supposed to take over China's most prestigious professional league, but I have serious doubts as to how successful they'll be in cleaning up the sport.
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 1:27 am
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:20 am to
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South Korea even struggles to have top talent that can do damage in the attacking third. Although I will say that Son Heung-min is super athletic.



I would actually say it is the opposite. They have developed plenty of top-class European attacking talent. Son Heung-min is a fine player, and Ji Dong-won is going to play for Dortmund next season. That's as good a pedigree as the US has.

The problem with both Japan and South Korea have to do with both of their issues in defense. They seem to have a hard time finding players who want to do the dirty work, as both countries have produced players that have played for top European clubs, but none of the players are defenders. It might be an issue with physicality or athleticism. South Korea had a torrid time with more athletic African teams losing to Ghana and Algeria, while Japan had the same problems with a lanky Zambia team they beat 3-2 and of course the Ivory Coast.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:27 am to
Yea Japan and South Korea are usually pretty solid, roughly on our and Mexico's level. So China should be able to get there eventually. It could be they just struggled with having the WC in this hemisphere and climate
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:31 am to
The Asian teams did really poorly this WC. I don't think a single one made it to the round of 16. And Japan was very hyped after they way they played the Netherlands and Belgium last November. They also beat Ghana 3-1 as well as playing Italy really close in the last Confed Cup. They also beat Costa Rica in the build up to this tournament. Very disappointing performance from a team that should have made the knockouts.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 2:01 am to
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time.
give them time.



meh we have heard that before

they excel more at individual sports
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
The Grindfather
Member since Dec 2010
35808 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 12:52 pm to
Bump
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 1:36 pm to
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The Asian teams did really poorly this WC. I don't think a single one made it to the round of 16. And Japan was very hyped after they way they played the Netherlands and Belgium last November. They also beat Ghana 3-1 as well as playing Italy really close in the last Confed Cup. They also beat Costa Rica in the build up to this tournament. Very disappointing performance from a team that should have made the knockouts.


Japan didn't do that well but in fairness their group was a really tough draw for them.

Colombia is just out and out better than them and both Ivory Coast and Greece are solid teams that are also tough matchups for Japan.

Kagawa, from what I saw against Ivory Coast and late on against Greece (when he didn't make the starting 11), was also quite a disappointment and that's a guy they need to be 100%.


What you say above is true about them lacking a (some) defensive midfielder(s) that can get tough in a matchup like Greece or Ivory Coast winning balls and setting their attacking talent in motion.

I think they look better when they play friendlies and Confed Cup type matches because those matches aren't as no-holds-barred as the WC and they can compete technically with the Italy's and Netherland's type quality in more free flowing matches.




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