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The latest regulatory overreach: U.S. Fish and Wildlife to enforce ivory agenda

Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:00 pm
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:00 pm
WSJ: Grandma's Cameo Becomes Yard-Sale Contraband

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On June 26 countless antiques, musical instruments and other objects made from ivory or decorated with it will be effectively banned by the federal government from sale or trade within the U.S. Coupled with tough new international import-export restrictions, the value of these objects, once in the hundreds of millions of dollars, will evaporate.

The expressed aim of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is to discourage the ivory trade and protect endangered African elephants, though it is difficult to discern how that effort is aided by attacking, say, collectors of Victorian or Art Deco treasures.


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The message is clear to those who possess ivory-detailed objects including clarinets, canes, pistols, crucifixes, timepieces, chess sets, cameos, guitars, mahjong sets, pianos or furniture: You own it, you're stuck with it. The objects shortly will be worthless and uninsurable by government decree, and the IRS is unlikely to allow you to write it off as an investment loss, no matter how much you or your family paid for it—a few hundred dollars at an estate sale or $20,000 at Christie's.

The impracticality of monitoring every flea market, auction and estate sale in the country will force the Fish and Wildlife Service to selectively enforce the new regulations. Worse, many buyers and sellers—from hobbyists to professionals—may be unaware that they will be vulnerable to confiscation, fines and arrest for violating the new regulations


AP: Museums, Musicians Say Ivory Order Hampers Travel

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Museums and musicians are concerned that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's stricter rules on the transport of items containing elephant ivory are inflicting unintended complications on the music community.

The new strategy for fighting trafficking through enforcement, approved by President Barack Obama in February, puts a near complete ban on the commercial trade of elephant ivory.

Musicians and collectors say the rules will limit their ability to travel abroad with antique and vintage instruments they acquired decades ago, and could put them risk of fines and the possible seizure of their instruments.


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Earlier this month, U.S. customs agents at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport refused clearance for seven ivory-tipped violin bows owned by members of the Budapest Festival Orchestra because the items lacked proper permits. The musicians used borrowed bows for their performances, and their own were eventually released and sent back to Hungary after a $525 fine was paid.


Forget going after the terrorists and poachers who are driving elephants to extinction.. have to stop grandpa from bringing his ol' walking cane on trips !

Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94846 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:04 pm to
*facepalm*

This is an extension of the kind of fricking stupidity behind the Gibson Guitar raid, where the feds were seizing woods it claimed Gibson had gotten in violation of some obscure Indian law about exports.


They had a different one of these laws that could have forced second-hand shops out of business and forced children's books and clothes to be destroyed but, thankfully, they patched that particular piece of crap.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:19 pm to
Wow I had never heard of that happening. Going to have to look up some articles from that government boondoggle.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98468 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:40 pm to
Sounds like a taking without due process.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 8:43 pm
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80095 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:43 pm to
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Forget going after the terrorists and poachers who are driving elephants to extinction


I'd be in favor of droning poachers
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 6:33 pm to
None of this will have an impact on the poaching of elephants.

The BEST way to protect these elephants is to allow selective hunting by well to do hunters.

Everyday, our freedom in this country diminishes just a little bit more...
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 6:36 pm to
Can someone explain how restricting the sale of ivory that has been in the US for decades will save a currently living elephant?
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:04 pm to
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Can someone explain how restricting the sale of ivory that has been in the US for decades will save a currently living elephant?


Maybe the two Obama-appointed heads of the Department of the Interior can explain. After all, their backgrounds are as political operatives. That qualifies them for overseeing the protection of African elephants, right?
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:23 pm to
Bonus question: How will banning interstate trade of legal ivory in the US stop China from consuming ivory?

These useful idiots are just like the climate change crowd.
Posted by wfeliciana
Member since Oct 2013
4504 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:47 pm to
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Bonus question: How will banning interstate trade of legal ivory in the US stop China from consuming ivory?

These useful idiots are just like the climate change crowd.


It's not stopping the ivory trade in China. However, the U.S. is the second-biggest ivory market, after China.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 7:54 pm to
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It's not stopping the ivory trade in China. However, the U.S. is the second-biggest ivory market, after China.


I'd rather them destroy the flow / supply of illegal ivory by mowing down the poachers rather than create a new bureaucracy to try and regulate out the business of consuming it.
Posted by wfeliciana
Member since Oct 2013
4504 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:00 pm to
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'd rather them destroy the flow / supply of illegal ivory by mowing down the poachers


I agree with you on that. They should shoot the bastards in their legs, rip out their teeth and then cut their feet off. That's what they do to the elephants except for shooting them in the legs--they just kill them.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:08 pm to
It's like the drug trade from central / south America. We don't go after the supply and movement, we spend billions on law enforcement, prisons, "social" programs, D.A.R.E., etc. Washington loves to take on the task of solving big issues, but their solution is more power and money for themselves .. and implementing systems and "solutions" that do little to address the issues.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:30 pm to
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the value of these objects, once in the hundreds of millions of dollars, will evaporate

WRONG, the value will actually skyrocket on the black market just like everything else they make illegal
Posted by PhoenixLSUTiger
Phoenix, AZ
Member since Dec 2007
1410 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:38 pm to
OMFG! What will the world do now?
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:40 pm to
Now the mark up for ivory just went through the roof encouraging more people to go kill elephants so they can make serious profits in the U.S.


Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:40 pm to
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WRONG, the value will actually skyrocket on the black market just like everything else they make illegal


Government loves to create crime
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