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Is the Obama administration incompetent or smart like a fox?
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:03 am
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:03 am
I have maintained for some time that the continuous string of controversies has worked to the advantage of the administration.
Each controversy seems to be the result of an incompetent administration. However, I think the controversies generate "noise" from the Republicans and when a real scandal comes along, it can be attributed to the "crazy Republicans" who are just slinging more mud.
I think the administration changed the conversation leading into the 2012 election by generating controversies that riled up the evangelical Republicans. This shifted the conversation from the economy to social issues - and allowed them to win the election.
I'm not saying that it's possible that the Dems purposely screwed up Benghazi or the IRS protocols, but I think some of these other controversies may be plants to distract from the real issues and just keep the level of noise up.
Thoughts?
Each controversy seems to be the result of an incompetent administration. However, I think the controversies generate "noise" from the Republicans and when a real scandal comes along, it can be attributed to the "crazy Republicans" who are just slinging more mud.
I think the administration changed the conversation leading into the 2012 election by generating controversies that riled up the evangelical Republicans. This shifted the conversation from the economy to social issues - and allowed them to win the election.
I'm not saying that it's possible that the Dems purposely screwed up Benghazi or the IRS protocols, but I think some of these other controversies may be plants to distract from the real issues and just keep the level of noise up.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:05 am to Jax-Tiger
This is somewhat related, but I think both sides realize they both benefit from the continued polarization of the political discourse in this country.
The country as a whole loses, but each individual side wins.
The country as a whole loses, but each individual side wins.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:07 am to boosiebadazz
it's the Balkanization strategy, divide and conquer, etc.
It's not new. Our populace is just fricking stupid.
It's not new. Our populace is just fricking stupid.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:08 am to boosiebadazz
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I think both sides realize they both benefit from the continued polarization of the political discourse in this country.
Agreed, but I think the Democrats continually "poke" the Republicans. I think it does two things: first, it gives them a guage as to what they can get away with, and secondly, it keeps the Republicans crying "Wolf!".
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:09 am to boosiebadazz
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both sides realize they both benefit from the continued polarization of the political discourse in this country.
I'm beginning to view this as the case more and more.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:10 am to boosiebadazz
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The country as a whole loses, but each individual side wins.
Put this on our headstone
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:10 am to CptBengal
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Our populace is just fricking stupid.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:11 am to Jax-Tiger
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However, I think the controversies generate "noise" from the Republicans and when a real scandal comes along, it can be attributed to the "crazy Republicans" who are just slinging more mud.
That kind of thinking only works if you think like a partisan democrat to begin with.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:12 am to Jax-Tiger
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I think the administration changed the conversation leading into the 2012 election by generating controversies that riled up the evangelical Republicans. This shifted the conversation from the economy to social issues - and allowed them to win the election.
they won the election not b.c of this, it didn't hurt but they won b.c of the ground game. It was that simple, they GOTV. Mitts strategy was to get a yard sign in every yard, and that migh thave worked in 1988, it doesn't work now.
I vote incompetence.
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Napoleon Bonaparte — 'Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence.'
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:12 am to Jax-Tiger
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I think some of these other controversies may be plants to distract from the real issues and just keep the level of noise up.
Thoughts?
Whether or not Bergdahl event was planned to create a distraction, it certainly appears to be playing out in that manner.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:17 am to Jax-Tiger
They can only get away with this stuff because the media lets them.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:18 am to Jax-Tiger
Not smart but they are most definitely calculating. This latest incident was created to move on from the unfavorable VA scandal. I seriously doubt that they anticipated the backlash which was dumb and simply adds to the list of scandals. But yea, Obama's basic strategy is to divide and conquer. Race bating, economic inequality, gay rights, disregard for immigration law, Arab Spring, using the IRS against opponents, NSA spying, all designed to use political power as a weapon against his political opponents.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:18 am to Porky
This administration has had so many scandals that it makes it hard to get a bead on anything. It's like a three ring circus squared.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:27 am to Jax-Tiger
You're close. And this is nothing new. It happened under Clinton and it happened a long time ago in a village when a boy cried wolf, falsely, so often, that when the actual wolf came, no one heeded the boy's call.
Remember "travelgate" "filegate" Vince Foster's alleged murder, alleged rapes, the list goes on. By the time Monica came around it was yawn.
Republicans don't change their spots. And Democrats aren't smart enough to pull off successful conspiracies.
Remember "travelgate" "filegate" Vince Foster's alleged murder, alleged rapes, the list goes on. By the time Monica came around it was yawn.
Republicans don't change their spots. And Democrats aren't smart enough to pull off successful conspiracies.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:31 am to Vegas Bengal
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And Democrats aren't smart enough to pull off successful conspiracies.
You sure VB?
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:35 am to Vegas Bengal
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You're close. And this is nothing new. It happened under Clinton and it happened a long time ago in a village when a boy cried wolf, falsely, so often, that when the actual wolf came, no one heeded the boy's call.
The elusive "wolf" is real and is bipartisan.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:38 am to PrimeTime Money
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They can only get away with this stuff because the media lets them.
Exactly.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:43 am to DeltaDoc
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Is the Obama administration incompetent or smart like a fox?
I think that Obama and his inner circle of advisors have long term ideological goals that they are very savvy about accomplishing (changing healthcare, carbon regulation, squaring away as many long term votes as possible, etc.).
I think that the day to day aspect of being the president and handling domestic and foreign affair issues is placed on the back burner and they pretty much make it up as they go along.
There is very little forethought into consequence of action...the action is all that matters to them.
As stated above, without a complicit media, this would be impossible.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:45 am to Jax-Tiger
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I have maintained for some time that the continuous string of controversies has worked to the advantage of the administration.
Each controversy seems to be the result of an incompetent administration. However, I think the controversies generate "noise" from the Republicans and when a real scandal comes along, it can be attributed to the "crazy Republicans" who are just slinging more mud.
The administration(s) is/are not fricking up on purpose. Presidentin' is just hard. That said, here is something that would likely interest you.
Politico
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The White House has been surprised by how much attention has remained on the questions about Bergdahl, from the circumstances of his disappearance to the wild beard his father grew while he was being held that’s even led to Bergdahl’s hometown canceling a celebration. All this, Obama aides say, is in their minds a proxy for the hatred toward the president.
The new approach: Frame the criticism as another example of Republicans complaining about something just because Obama was the one to do it.
“I’m never surprised by controversies that are whipped up in Washington,” Obama said Thursday at a news conference in Brussels, when asked if he was surprised by the backlash. “That’s par for the course.”
So the administration is definitely utilizing the over-scandalization by the GOP. Pox on both houses
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:49 am to a want
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over-scandalization
So tell us then what would be just the right amount of scandal for Obama? 
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