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Anarchy question
Posted on 6/4/14 at 10:19 am
Posted on 6/4/14 at 10:19 am
Is property ownership a tenet of anarchy? If so, is the property owner solely responsible for the defense of his property from those that would take it by force?
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Posted on 6/4/14 at 10:34 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Is property ownership a tenet of anarchy? If so, is the property owner solely responsible for the defense of his property from those that would take it by force?
In a true anarchy, the only property you own is what you can hold onto (by force). See: Somalia.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:25 pm to Bard
ok, I guess I am referring to the form that a few posters here seem to favor.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:26 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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seem to favor.
At least you figured out the important qualifier there.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:27 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
it depends on how you define anarchy.
anarchist (communal) would be no property. For libertarian anarchy, there would be.
anarchist (communal) would be no property. For libertarian anarchy, there would be.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 11:51 pm to Hawkeye95
It's a pretty simple, yet fundamental question. Maybe anarchists don't know what it is, only what it's not.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 11:57 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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Is property ownership a tenet of anarchy?
Yes. But the individual gets to define property ownership as they see fit.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 11:59 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:Does property ownership exist? Yes. I don't know what you mean by "responsible" but if you don't want your property taken by someone then do what you can to not let anyone take your property. Works the same in a statist or non-statist world.
Is property ownership a tenet of anarchy? If so, is the property owner solely responsible for the defense of his property from those that would take it by force?
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:00 am to SpidermanTUba
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But the individual gets to define property ownership as they see fit.
it's not really this, as much as they get to define ownership by what they can physically control
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's not really this, as much as they get to define ownership by what they can physically control
Ah. So if I have land up river, I can take as much water as I like from those down river.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:06 am to SpidermanTUba
Yeah, you can take as much water as you want, leave people with no water and not suffer any consequences in AnarchyLand. 
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:13 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Is property ownership a tenet of anarchy?
Of anarcho-capitalism, yes. It's also a tenant of individual liberty.
Anarchy itself is just the absence of a ruling class.
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If so, is the property owner solely responsible for the defense of his property from those that would take it by force?
Yes. But this doesn't mean people cannot cooperate and hire people or firms to protect their property for them.
Truth is, by the time you figure in local, state, federal taxes and inflation, half of your income (property) is stolen every year. So, government is NOT "protecting" your property....it's taking it by force.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:15 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Is property ownership a tenet of anarchy?
There are several types of self-styled anarchists.
Other than anarcho-capitalists and (to an extent) mutualists, you're not going to find any sympathy for private property.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:17 am to SpidermanTUba
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Ah. So if I have land up river, I can take as much water as I like from those down river.
Your down river neighbors would probably file litigation against you, and there probably aren't many DROs and affiliated judges who would be sympathetic to your actions.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:22 am to SlowFlowPro
If the anarchy that people here favor is nothing more than survival of the fittest, then I see no way that it doesn't devolve (or evolve) into something else fairly quickly.
The strongest person or group of persons takes the resources, makes the rules and demands that others call him "tsar".
While practically impossible, it makes for good conversation at coffee houses and even better bumper stickers.
The strongest person or group of persons takes the resources, makes the rules and demands that others call him "tsar".
While practically impossible, it makes for good conversation at coffee houses and even better bumper stickers.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:25 am to Bard
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In a true anarchy, the only property you own is what you can hold onto
This is the only way to own property. In the system we have now you are mearly renting it from the government.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:25 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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If the anarchy that people here favor is nothing more than survival of the fittest, then I see no way that it doesn't devolve (or evolve) into something else fairly quickly.
I don't think any of the anarchists here simply advocate for 'survival of the fittest'.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:31 am to olgoi khorkhoi
olgoi, in your everyday life, how often do you need a bureaucrat or politician to tell you how to co-operate w/ other individuals?
So, you completely ignored the part about government taking, BY FORCE, half your income, huh?
Unfortunately, you're right when you say it's practically impossible.
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The strongest person or group of persons takes the resources, makes the rules and demands that others call him "tsar".
So, you completely ignored the part about government taking, BY FORCE, half your income, huh?
Unfortunately, you're right when you say it's practically impossible.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:35 am to stuntman
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Unfortunately, you're right when you say it's practically impossible.
Breh, we're going to build seasteads one of these days. We will be free to oppress the proletariat at our leisure, with no pesky government to interfere.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:35 am to olgoi khorkhoi
In almost all philosophies and styles of anarchy, there is no respect and advocation of private property rights and ownership.
Anaracho-capitalism is the only one that I can think of that advocates it and supports it thick and through. It's a core belief and principle of it.
Anaracho-capitalism is the only one that I can think of that advocates it and supports it thick and through. It's a core belief and principle of it.
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