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What are your thoughts on estate tax and inheritance tax? Look at these posts..

Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:34 am
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:34 am
Look at these posts from another forum:

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It is money that they were able to earn because of the benefits society created for them, an educated workforce, reasonable infrastructure for transportation and communications, etc. Those are debts the estate owes and should pay.

Little pisses me off more than people who think they can benefit from all of the advantages that American society gives them, such as the most dynamic, wealthy markets in the world, and not have to give back through taxes.

Selfish, unchecked privilege is what the wealthy seem to feel, they should be able to amass wealth, much of it off the backs of labor to whom they refuse to give raises, and then feel like it is not morally repugnant to bitch about paying the lowest tax rate in the industrialized world and the lowest rates we have seen in this country since the nineteen-teens.

Greed is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, it is not a virtue.



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And how does one get to a billion dollars in the first place? Ironically, greed?

The state provides the framework for that money to be accumulated. Without the state, the game in which the rich play wouldn't exist.

Your life's work is just that, YOUR LIFE. Not someone elses. It's generous enough that you can pass a few million on to your kids tax free. Warren Buffets or any other rich person doesn't have to worry about the life of their children.

And if Buffet is so concerned, he can give his life's work tax free - all the billions of it, by giving it to charities



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We cannot check this type of power that he and people like him are passing to his progeny. We can, however, tax wealth and hope to allow more people to eventually have better get access to the same benefits. Buffet seems to see his at least some of his failings and hypocrisy as a person and advocates for higher taxes on people like himself. He knows as a father that he can't help but help his children and he knows others people in his same situations also can't help but want to do what is best for their children, but at the same time he recognizes that people acting in such a selfish manner is a net harm to society. He knows that government is the only institution which has the power to spread that privilege around. You seem to agree with him that such unchecked privilege is a bad thing.

For the better part of 60 years, intergenerational mobility in the U.S. has been on a downward trend. A more robust estate and inheritance tax is one of the many ways in which the state can provide for the necessary services to fight against the decline and maybe even reverse the trend.







Those posts sound just like Rex.
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13969 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:35 am to
They didn't earn that! They don't deserve it!
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:37 am to
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What are your thoughts on estate tax and inheritance tax?

Let's start here:

Are parents and their children separate people under the law?

Do we have an income tax system?
Posted by DonChowder
Sonoma County
Member since Dec 2012
9249 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:38 am to
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your thoughts on estate tax
Gross.
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your thoughts on inheritance tax
Gross.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:39 am to
"You didn't build that"


I cannot wait until we oust these motherfrickers.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:40 am to
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They didn't earn that! They don't deserve it!

Those posts show it's about hurting the rich to them.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:41 am to
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The state provides the framework for that money to be accumulated. Without the state, the game in which the rich play wouldn't exist.




So, the rich are bad, because the state allows them to become rich, even though everyone else has the same opportunities provided by the state, in the framework that the state provides?

Am I understanding this right?
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 9:42 am
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:42 am to
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Buffet seems to see his at least some of his failings and hypocrisy as a person and advocates for higher taxes on people like himself. He knows as a father that he can't help but help his children and he knows others people in his same situations also can't help but want to do what is best for their children, but at the same time he recognizes that people acting in such a selfish manner is a net harm to society. He knows that government is the only institution which has the power to spread that privilege around.


Buffet is a liar. He wants the estate tax and all taxes raised because HE ISNT PAYING THEM.

HE, like the rest of the liberal wealthy elite, want to remove the ladder up....they want to stop ANYONE else from becoming successful.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:43 am to
Yeah, it makes no sense.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48309 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:43 am to
It's a collectivist argument. I don't agree with it but it's not like this is some new line of thought.
Posted by Holden Caulfield
Hanging with J.D.
Member since May 2008
8308 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:43 am to

Inheritance tax should go the way of the dinosaur.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48309 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:44 am to
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Are parents and their children separate people under the law?

Do we have an income tax system?


You think inheritance is a form of income?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112464 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:44 am to
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Greed is one of the Seven Deadly Sins,


I think ENVY is up in that list.

Class envy has always existed, but in my lifetime it has become more extreme in the US. Some of you may remember a TV show "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous". Ordinary people who watched didn't hate the rich. They were intrigued.

All goes back to this simple idea:
Leftists hate inequality.
Inequality is the natural state of man.
Therefore the left hates nature and will never be happy.
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:45 am to
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You think inheritance is a form of income?

It absolutely is income to the recipient.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:46 am to
This one got me, too:

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It's generous enough that you can pass a few million on to your kids tax free.


As if people should be THANKING the government for allowing people to keep some of their money! As if it's not YOUR money. The government has a right to your money whenever they want and they are generous for letting your family keep some of it.

Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:47 am to
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It absolutely is income to the recipient.


Should my kids pay income taxes on their allowance?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:48 am to
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They didn't earn that!


In regards to the children of the wealthy, that is a true statement.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:48 am to
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It absolutely is income to the recipient


What good or service did they provide?
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:49 am to
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As if people should be THANKING the government for allowing people to keep some of their money!

????

How does a dead person keep money? Are parents and their children separate people under the law? How was it ever the children's money? So how is it they get to keep "their" money, either, when it was not theirs?
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:49 am to
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They didn't earn that!



In regards to the children of the wealthy, that is a true statement.


no, their family did. They even paid taxes on that money as it was made.
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