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Can you be racist but your racism doesn't come from a place of hate?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:41 am
Could a person really like black people and have no problem with them at all and still be racist if he believes they are inferior to white people?
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:45 am to PrimeTime Money
Are you racist if you hate lazy people who happen to be white more than you hate lazy people who happen to be non-white.
If yes, are you still racist if you just hate lazy people of all colors equally ?
If yes, are you still racist if you just hate lazy people of all colors equally ?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:45 am to PrimeTime Money
A big problem we have in our society is that there's no real clear definition of the word "hate" anymore. It's become a word that is way overused, and watered down. The meaning has almost become situational.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:47 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:Racism doesn't even require hate. The two CAN be related but by no means are directly related.
Can you be racist but your racism doesn't come from a place of hate?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:58 am to PrimeTime Money
I think you can say racist things without being a racist.
For example, say a person really has a good heart and tries to treat everybody fair, but he is out on the town with a few buddies who are lamenting the crime rates of black Americans vs. all other Americans or talking about Mexicans in a bad way, the person that treats everyone fair could utter racist comments as he is caught up in the conversation, but that wouldn't necessarily be who he is as a person.
But as to your full point, I don't think any race of people are inferior to any other race of people. That kind of thinking is Hitler like thinking imho.
For example, say a person really has a good heart and tries to treat everybody fair, but he is out on the town with a few buddies who are lamenting the crime rates of black Americans vs. all other Americans or talking about Mexicans in a bad way, the person that treats everyone fair could utter racist comments as he is caught up in the conversation, but that wouldn't necessarily be who he is as a person.
But as to your full point, I don't think any race of people are inferior to any other race of people. That kind of thinking is Hitler like thinking imho.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:08 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:08 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:100%.
and still be racist if he believes they are inferior to white people?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:16 am to PrimeTime Money
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Could a person really like black people and have no problem with them at all and still be racist if he believes they are inferior to white people?
Yes, 100%. Many modern WNs and/or supremacists who want their associations to be characterized more as positive "pro-white" movements than negative anti-minority movements sometimes use euphemisms such as racialist or racial realist to eschew the emotionally charged, oppressive, and violent history of racism in this country (and throughout the world). I'm sure some small percentage of them truly hold no ill-will toward blacks or browns, but they are by definition racists--by any other name.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:19 am to Godfather1
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The meaning has almost become situational.
Don't hate, bro
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:25 am to PrimeTime Money
Actually racism can only come from those with the power to hold others back. Not sure how this meshes with a private conversation being worse than actual discriminatory housing practices but that's the story we've been told...
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:26 am to C
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Actually racism can only come from those with the power to hold others back.
Negative.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:28 am to PrimeTime Money
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Can you be racist but your racism doesn't come from a place of hate?
Better question, why do you care what someone else thinks?
I'm so sick of all this "racist" bullshite. If a word or set of words strung together in a sentence is capable of causing you physical discomfort, maybe you just aren't cut out for real life.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:30 am to Navytiger74
LINK
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a common view distinguishes prejudice from racism, holding that racism is best understood as 'prejudice plus power'
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:33 am to DR Hops
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I'm so sick of all this "racist" bull shite. If a word or set of words strung together in a sentence is capable of causing you physical discomfort, maybe you just aren't cut out for real life.
This.
I stated in another thread that people say tings they don't mean in the heat of the moment. That does not mean they believe their words.
Kid to a parent "I hate you". Kid is just trying to hurt the parent for the trouble they are in. Kid does not actually hate the parent.
I think context is always important.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:34 am to PrimeTime Money
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Could a person really like black people and have no problem with them at all and still be racist if he believes they are inferior to white people?
Using the "inferior" definition of racism, yours truly and few people I know are racist. Frankly, I think that definition is not a good way to describe modern day racism.
I certainly do not consider minorities inferior to majorities. For instance, I think it is pretty obvious that most blacks are physically superior to most whites while any mental perceived superiority by whites can be easily equalized through education.
My racism, if that's what you want to call it, is perception based on reality/experience. When reality changes, so will the perception of so called racists.
It's not unlike the perception of Islam. Obviously not all Muslims are terrorists but most terrorists are in fact Muslims. In like manner, a disproportionate number of crimes are committed by blacks. In both cases, when both factions change the social constructs that perpetuates their disproportionate deviants from society, society's perception will change. Maybe if Obama, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Reverend Wright and their ilk spent more time calling out their own people and less time depicting blacks as victims blaming white people, we just might see change we can believe in.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:35 am to C
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a common view distinguishes prejudice from racism, holding that racism is best understood as 'prejudice plus power'
Well I love Wikipedia and its sourcing as much as anyone, but "a common view" isn't exactly authoritative, and that definition is bullshite. For instance, Louis Farrakhan purports to believe that all whites are born with a nature that is inherently greedier, more deceptive, and more devious than any other race of man. If he truly ascribes those traits to every white man, woman, and child simply because of their genetic ancestry, he is a racist. And he doesn't have power over anyone who's white.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:37 am to Navytiger74
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he is a racist.
Has he been banned from anything of note?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:37 am to DR Hops
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I'm so sick of all this "racist" bullshite. If a word or set of words strung together in a sentence is capable of causing you physical discomfort, maybe you just aren't cut out for real life.
You seem pretty uncomfortable about a word right about now, Doc.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:39 am to C
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Has he been banned from anything of note?
Is he apart of anything of note? I believe he and some Chicago power-players cross paths on some community initiatives, but I wouldn't say that he breaths rare oxygen. Don't think he made it to any events that his hometown president has hosted over the past 5+ years.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:44 am to Navytiger74
Anyways I agree he is racist. But this definition is the background on why there is a double standard. Even in sterling's case. By all accounts, he ran his team without prejudice. If anything he didn't want white people on his team. His only racist actions were housing discrimination. Consider Chris Paul supposed comments "I don't want a white coach" or something to those affects. Did the NBA investigate or was he publically punished by the NBA in any way?
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