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Advocate prints comprehensive article on St. George, the Mall of La.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:12 am
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:12 am
and the SG 'controversy" which clears up a lot of the misinformation posted previously by SG opponents.
For instance the MoL does not generate 38 million in parish taxes that SG you would "lose" is the Mall was annexed into the city.
The article also points out that the MoL as most of of think of the Mall is not one big property instead there are something like 200 properties so it's way more complicated than just annexing "the Mall". So that would impact the numbers, but at worst case an annexation of the MoL with all surrounding properties would be 14 percent of the proposed SG budget.
The point is the annexation strategy being used by the city is more complicated than just negotiating with one entity. To annex the mall quite a few other property owners would have to be on board too.
The Advocate also points out that the biggest tax revenue producer for the SG area is not the Mall of La. but is the 70809 zip code areas which includes all the Siegen Lane properites. Some of the 70809 area is inside the city but most of it is outside the city. This area totals 28 million in tax revenue to the city/parish of which only 5 million goes to the city with the balance going to the parish fund.
The Advocate clearly points out that the loss of the Mall of La. though significant is not 38 million dollars as some have claimed. Furthermore, based on the MoL numbers I seriously doubt that the loss of L'auberge if annexed will be 7 million dollars in sales taxes or that if Perkins-Rowe is annexed another 4 million dollars as has been previously reported.
It seems some people are inflating numbers to scare people off the SG side. First with the overall sales tax rate jumping to 11% and now with grossly overstating the value of the Mall and other SG properties.
Here is a link to the entire article: LINK
For instance the MoL does not generate 38 million in parish taxes that SG you would "lose" is the Mall was annexed into the city.
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The city-parish general fund is reliant on a 2 percent sales tax that funds vital governmental functions. The Mall of Louisiana generated about $9.2 million last year in those sales taxes, according to city-parish finance documents
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Jim Richardson, an economist who led a study of what financial impact St. George would have on the parish, said the 2012 sales tax dollars generated from the mall were $7 million. His number is based on sales taxes drawn from 70836, because the mall has its own ZIP code. That number would exclude some of the perimeter stores
The article also points out that the MoL as most of of think of the Mall is not one big property instead there are something like 200 properties so it's way more complicated than just annexing "the Mall". So that would impact the numbers, but at worst case an annexation of the MoL with all surrounding properties would be 14 percent of the proposed SG budget.
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So, if the city were to annex the Mall of Louisiana, it could mean a 14 percent decrease in total sales tax revenue to the proposed city of St. George or a hit of 11 percent to its overall revenues.
However, that number is the most ambitious annexation scenario because it includes about 200 stores and restaurants both within the mall and surrounding the perimeter, including Best Buy and J. Alexander’s.
It’s unclear what a mall annexation would include. It could leave out the stores on the perimeter of the mall campus, which would change the sales tax numbers.
The point is the annexation strategy being used by the city is more complicated than just negotiating with one entity. To annex the mall quite a few other property owners would have to be on board too.
The Advocate also points out that the biggest tax revenue producer for the SG area is not the Mall of La. but is the 70809 zip code areas which includes all the Siegen Lane properites. Some of the 70809 area is inside the city but most of it is outside the city. This area totals 28 million in tax revenue to the city/parish of which only 5 million goes to the city with the balance going to the parish fund.
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The 70809 ZIP code, which includes the shopping center with the Siegen Lane Super Target, is the region with the most sales taxes generated in the area, Richardson said. The ZIP code includes some of the city of Baton Rouge and parts of the proposed city of St. George. It generates about $28 million in sales taxes, $5.5 million of which are already within the city of Baton Rouge.
“That’s a much more lucrative market to go after, but it’s much more complicated because there are residents that live there, so they’d have to vote (to be annexed),” Richardson said.
The Advocate clearly points out that the loss of the Mall of La. though significant is not 38 million dollars as some have claimed. Furthermore, based on the MoL numbers I seriously doubt that the loss of L'auberge if annexed will be 7 million dollars in sales taxes or that if Perkins-Rowe is annexed another 4 million dollars as has been previously reported.
It seems some people are inflating numbers to scare people off the SG side. First with the overall sales tax rate jumping to 11% and now with grossly overstating the value of the Mall and other SG properties.
Here is a link to the entire article: LINK
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 9:18 am
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:19 am to doubleb
This whole situation is a clusterfrick... I don't have a dog in this fight either way, but will be happy as shite when this is over.
Its just like a general election, you're pulling for a turd sandwich or a giant douche... However, BR's actions in this fight have made them supersized giant douches and I hope they suffer for it.
Its just like a general election, you're pulling for a turd sandwich or a giant douche... However, BR's actions in this fight have made them supersized giant douches and I hope they suffer for it.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:24 am to Lsut81
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This whole situation is a clusterfrick... I don't have a dog in this fight either way, but will be happy as shite when this is over.
I came to the SG side simply because of the schools.
If an ISD was formed, I'd back off of the city thing.
But EBR parish is being held back for one reason, schools. With a top notch school district, the areas will boom and people will come back to the center of it all, BR.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:41 am to doubleb
quote:Who has claimed that to be the case?
I seriously doubt that the loss of L'auberge if annexed will be 7 million dollars in sales taxes
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:51 am to LSURussian
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Who has claimed that to be the case?
I don't know who claimed it first, but you posted this:
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It's a "presumption" based on hard financial facts.
The SG proposed annual city budget on the SG official website shows total expenditures of $61 million. The MoL alone generates $38 million/year in city sales taxes.
Subtract $38 million from SG's $61 million which the leaders say they need to run the city and then you explain how SG can function on the remaining $23 million.
If L'Auberge is removed, that's another $7 million gone.
If Perkins Rowe is annexed into BR that's another $4 million gone from the SG revenues.
My "presumption" is well reasoned.
I can't tell you where you first got those figures, but they are obviously way off.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:54 am to doubleb
quote:I got them from a nola.com article last December or January. So one of those publications' reporters has incorrect numbers.
I can't tell you where you first got those figures,
And where did I write that L'Auberge collects $7 million in sales taxes?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 9:58 am to LSURussian
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And where did I write that L'Auberge collects $7 million in sales taxes?
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If L'Auberge is removed, that's another $7 million gone.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:00 am to LSURussian
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I got them from a nola.com article last December or January. So one of those publications' reporters has incorrect numbers.
Could you link that please? I want to see who wrote that.
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And where did I write that L'Auberge collects $7 million in sales taxes?
When you posted these hard FACTS;
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It's a "presumption" based on hard financial facts.
The SG proposed annual city budget on the SG official website shows total expenditures of $61 million. The MoL alone generates $38 million/year in city sales taxes.
Subtract $38 million from SG's $61 million which the leaders say they need to run the city and then you explain how SG can function on the remaining $23 million.
If L'Auberge is removed, that's another $7 million gone.
If Perkins Rowe is annexed into BR that's another $4 million gone from the SG revenues.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:01 am to DR Hops
L'Auberge - $7 GAMING taxes (from the SG official website)
I'm starting to understand why SG supporters need better education.......
I'm starting to understand why SG supporters need better education.......
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:04 am to doubleb
Again, you posted
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The SG proposed annual city budget on the SG official website shows total expenditures of $61 million. The MoL alone generates $38 million/year in city sales taxes.
Subtract $38 million from SG's $61 million which the leaders say they need to run the city and then you explain how SG can function on the remaining $23 million.
If L'Auberge is removed, that's another $7 million gone.
If Perkins Rowe is annexed into BR that's another $4 million gone from the SG revenues.
My "presumption" is well reasoned.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:06 am to LSURussian
If this is the case, let BR have the mall and follow through on the threat to no longer pay for those constitutional offices.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:15 am to sec13rowBBseat28
The SG organizers can't commit SG to paying any revenue to BR just like the Central City organizers couldn't.
The Central people committed to paying legacy costs to EBR and BR when they were running their incorporation campaign. As soon as they incorporated the new leaders immediately disavowed the commitments made by the organizers saying those organizers had no legal standing to make commitments for an as yet non-existent city.
How much has Central paid in legacy costs to date? $0.00.
SG would do the same thing whether or not the MoL goes or stays in SG.
The Central people committed to paying legacy costs to EBR and BR when they were running their incorporation campaign. As soon as they incorporated the new leaders immediately disavowed the commitments made by the organizers saying those organizers had no legal standing to make commitments for an as yet non-existent city.
How much has Central paid in legacy costs to date? $0.00.
SG would do the same thing whether or not the MoL goes or stays in SG.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:20 am to LSURussian
quote:Can you blame them?
SG would do the same thing whether or not the MoL goes or stays in SG.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:25 am to LSURussian
Would SG refusing to pay legacy cost compensate for the lost revenue from the mall/casino?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:25 am to sec13rowBBseat28
quote:So you agree with me that the SG organizers promise to pay BR is a lie? Okay, good to know.....
SG would do the same thing whether or not the MoL goes or stays in SG.
Can you blame them?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:25 am to LSURussian
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I'm starting to understand why SG supporters need better education.......
That clears that up, now where did you get the 38 Million dollars for the mall of La. and the 4 million dollars for Perkins-Rowe???
BTW, when you construct a sentence in a sales tax discussion, you can easily see why people can get confused. MoL and Perkins-Rowe are all about sales taxes.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:28 am to LSURussian
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The SG organizers can't commit SG to paying any revenue to BR just like the Central City organizers couldn't. The Central people committed to paying legacy costs to EBR and BR when they were running their incorporation campaign. As soon as they incorporated the new leaders immediately disavowed the commitments made by the organizers saying those organizers had no legal standing to make commitments for an as yet non-existent city. How much has Central paid in legacy costs to date? $0.00. SG would do the same thing whether or not the MoL goes or stays in SG.
I believe the legacy costs are only associated with the school systems, and not city services because Central was never in the city so how could they be responsible for city services?
But that's whole other topic.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:31 am to LSURussian
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So you willfully choose to ignore this post by me?
I don't search all of your posts for "gotcha's". You are not that important. I'm simply stating, based on the quotes from you above, that the inference you are making is in regards to sales tax. I know this because your post starts with
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The SG proposed annual city budget on the SG official website shows total expenditures of $61 million. The MoL alone generates $38 million/year in city sales taxes.
Subtract $38 million from SG's $61 million which the leaders say they need to run the city and then you explain how SG can function on the remaining $23 million.
If L'Auberge is removed, that's another $7 million gone.
If Perkins Rowe is annexed into BR that's another $4 million gone from the SG revenues.
If you are not referring to sales tax in that post, then enlighten us as to what you are referring to?
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