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Why didn't any of the LOTR films show the scouring of the Shire? (PJ or RB)
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:43 pm
To me that was one of the most important scenes in the book. Was it a production cost thing?
Too much of a downer after the happy ending?
Time limits?
Too much of a downer after the happy ending?
Time limits?
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 5:45 pm
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:46 pm to fr33manator
My single biggest problem with the first trilogy.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:49 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Well, when they killed Wormtongue in TTT I kind of wondered how they were going to play it out.
Then they just didn't.
I mean, the whole point was, IMO, allegorical to WW1 and 2.
You go off to defeat the great enemy, only to return home to find it in ruins and the people forever changed.
Then they just didn't.
I mean, the whole point was, IMO, allegorical to WW1 and 2.
You go off to defeat the great enemy, only to return home to find it in ruins and the people forever changed.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:54 pm to fr33manator
Jackson basically robbed us of:
1) Grima's one decent act
2) Saruman's pettiness and defeat by the race that he thought so litlle of.
3) Merry and Pippin's step into leadership and greatness in the history of the Shire.
4) Frodo's showing Saruman mercy even after seeing his home destroyed.
just to name a few.
1) Grima's one decent act
2) Saruman's pettiness and defeat by the race that he thought so litlle of.
3) Merry and Pippin's step into leadership and greatness in the history of the Shire.
4) Frodo's showing Saruman mercy even after seeing his home destroyed.
just to name a few.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:59 pm to Green Chili Tiger
But why!?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:02 pm to fr33manator
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But why!?
He's never really explained, but the popular opinion is that he didn't want to detract from the "big climax" with "a subplot" that takes place afterward.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:12 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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the popular opinion is that he didn't want to detract from the "big climax" with "a subplot" that takes place afterward.
Which destroys the allegorical nature of the books/
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:16 pm to fr33manator
Honestly, it wouldn't adapt to film well and would add at least another 40 minutes to the film time. I can say safely that it would be the thing in Jackson's trilogy that Tolkein would be the most angry about.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:20 pm to fr33manator
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Which destroys the allegorical nature of the books/
It honestly does, but I think Jackson wanted to make a great film first, bring Middle Earth to life second, and then be faithful to the source material. It would drive non-Tolkeinites nuts and they would honestly walk out of the theater if the plot went on for another 70 minutes after the Ring is destroyed. It was a sad sacrifice, but Jackson made the right decision in order to remove it.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:21 pm to OMLandshark
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Honestly, it wouldn't adapt to film well and would add at least another 40 minutes to the film time
Why? It wasn't some huge battle. And IMO really told the sordid tale of war and its real toll.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:22 pm to OMLandshark
It was the one thing I was hoping would be in the extended edition.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:24 pm to fr33manator
Your always gonna have "I wish things"from one of the greatest trilogies of all time
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:25 pm to fr33manator
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Why? It wasn't some huge battle. And IMO really told the sordid tale of war and its real toll.
People aren't going to stick around 70 minutes after the so-called plot has ended in order to stay around for a twist ending that has nothing to do with the Ring or what they thought was the plot. You remember people bitching about "the multiple endings"? And that was only like 25 minutes and I really don't know what they're talking about with "multiple endings" (aside from maybe Sam's "Well, I'm back").
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:27 pm to CP3LSU25
But that sequence was integral to Tolkein's work. The whole mindset he was trying to convey. When you take that out it becomes a more standard good vs. evil, good wins fare.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:27 pm to fr33manator
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It was the one thing I was hoping would be in the extended edition.
Thinking about it, yeah, I'm a little bummed about this as well. However there's no way we would have gotten it. It would have been much too costly and time consuming, and I'd bet it would take at least 3 weeks to shoot it.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:30 pm to fr33manator
I believe the argument is that peter jackson didn't think the tone of it fit with the rest of the film and that it was a boring way to end everything.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:41 pm to fr33manator
Jackson said he didn't like that part of the book.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:45 pm to OMLandshark
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Thinking about it, yeah, I'm a little bummed about this as well. However there's no way we would have gotten it. It would have been much too costly and time consuming, and I'd bet it would take at least 3 weeks to shoot it.
If I'm not mistaken I think they did shoot it? Or some of it? In the 1st film when Frodo looks into that well water and sees the Shire burning, I remember hearing somewhere (though I can't confirm at this point) that that scene was originally shot for the scouring scene.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 6:58 pm to fr33manator
Could've just shown the Shire burning or a bunch of stuff destroyed, would've taken like 30 seconds
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:09 pm to fr33manator
I'm guessing not enough time. ETA: I agree with everything OML has said.
I was most upset about the exclusion of Tom Bombadil.
I was most upset about the exclusion of Tom Bombadil.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 7:11 pm
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