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How Hollywood Killed Death (NY Times)

Posted on 4/19/14 at 10:14 am
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 10:14 am
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The problem is that death at the movies has died. The movie industry has corrupted one of cinema’s — if not all of fiction’s — most emotionally taxing moments into hollow formula, the kind of thing that passes in the blink of a plot point leading to a literal, if not figurative, explosive finale that takes up half the budget.
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Formula may have atrophied death at the movies, but resurrection has killed it. And an unholy coalition between comic-book publishers and an economically weakened Hollywood is to blame.

Perhaps you’ve noticed that your local multiplex might as well be Comic Con. Amid rapid shifts in the media-buying public’s preferences, comic-book adaptations have proved incredibly lucrative for movie studios, practically becoming Hollywood’s main business model. They’re an ideal medium for an industry constantly looking for ways to tap into built-in audiences and spin out endless sequels. Comics are never-ending serials with decades’ worth of fans and stories to draw from, and Hollywood can build upon that, making its own serial stories and movies, creating loyal, invested audiences who will always show up. This has helped sequelitis shed its reputation as a symptom of creative bankruptcy, recasting it as ambitious world building.

Serialized storytelling isn’t the only thing that has made its way from comics to the movies. The timing of the rise of resurrection in blockbusters is no accident — it’s an inheritance. Along with the rise of superhero movies came comic books’ notorious revolving-door attitude toward death. Given the medium’s sprawling, practically interminable story lines, publishers like Marvel and DC Comics often need ways to bring major upheaval to their worlds. So they kill off major characters. Superman, Spider-Man, the Flash, Green Arrow, Green Lantern and Captain America have all died — at least temporarily. But Marvel and DC are financially dependent on characters that are too popular to leave dead. As a result, death to comic readers has become something of a joke: a tolerated pretense that means nothing more than a cash grab (buy the issue where Captain America dies!). A character’s demise allows the publisher to hype their resurrection (buy the issue where Captain America comes back!) or at least facilitate the sustained financial draw of a popular character.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 10:24 am to
Is this guy complaining because Marvel and DC don't permanently kill off their most famous characters?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 10:30 am to
Comic book movies may be getting over saturated in Hollywood today, but I'm going to say they have little to do with what he's getting at.

And this...

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Look at “Attack the Block” (2011), a quintessential blockbuster at heart (if not in budget or box office), in which each death — there are many — hits the viewer hard, because the filmmakers put in the effort to make sure it would.


Made me a laugh a little. I got a kick out of Attack the Block, but I wasn't exactly emotionally moved by the deaths in it. And don't even get me into how Moses survives in the most outlandish fashion.
Posted by davesdawgs
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 11:33 am to
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Is this guy complaining because Marvel and DC don't permanently kill off their most famous characters?


Yes, and yes, he's an idiot.
Posted by thatguy1892
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:01 pm to
Why, didn't he just name the article: "Branding pisses me off."
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:06 pm to
I agree with his title, but the execution was weak as hell. using comic book movies to prove a point about movies as a whole is incredibly disingenuous.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 2:08 pm to
(spoilers for Oblivion, Star Trek, Lone Ranger)



the biggest problem with comic book movies for the longest time was they kept killing off the bad guy at the end of the film which meant films had to dig deeper and deeper into rouges galleries until we ended up having flicks based off D list villains.

also, dafaq is is doing ripping the Kirk death in the modern Star Trek 2 while praising the death of Spock in the original? Does he not know the 3rd ST movie was all about going to get the not dead Spock?

He is bitching that Armie Hammer "dies" early in Lone Ranger only to be resurrected? WTF? He expected them to kill the the fricking title character and leave him dead 30 minutes into the movie?

Did he not understand the entire twist of Oblivion was that the original Tom Cruise was killed and cloned?

Why isn't he bitching about Bond, Beverly Hills Cop, Lethal Weapon, Die Hard, Back to the Future, or Jack Ryan movies that all do the same thing he is complaining about? What about how action stars from the 70s-90s could take bullet after bullet and just brush it off as a flesh wound? Oh wait, its b/c that stuff wouldn't fit his argument of comic book flicks doing the damage.

This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 2:15 pm
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 2:55 pm to
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How Hollywood Killed Death (NY Times)



Well, I see the argument but religion did do it first
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 3:00 pm to
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Well, I see the argument but religion did do it first


Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 3:44 pm to
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also, dafaq is is doing ripping the Kirk death in the modern Star Trek 2 while praising the death of Spock in the original?


Well there's a solid point to be made here - Wrath of Khan is a work of art, one of the finest action films ever made - regardless of franchise, regardless of sub-genre.

The other film...isn't. Beyond the obvious derivative nature of it - the Abrams' films might as well be comic book films, in the key of Star Trek and off-key at that.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 3:54 pm to
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Well there's a solid point to be made here - Wrath of Khan is a work of art, one of the finest action films ever made - regardless of franchise, regardless of sub-genre.

The other film...isn't. Beyond the obvious derivative nature of it - the Abrams' films might as well be comic book films, in the key of Star Trek and off-key at that.





Dude, we all get it.

You don't like the new versions and you love to suck off the old ones.

Can you please, please, please stop bitching about the new movies every time they are mentioned in any way? It's really tiresome.

and no, he can't use Wrath of Kahn as an example of permanent, shocking main character death while ripping on Into Darkness when Star Trek 3 is called the fricking Search for Spock.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 4:27 pm to
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Can you please, please, please stop bitching about the new movies every time they are mentioned in any way?


I literally took a moratorium for months, especially in general threads about Into Darkness (which I didn't/won't see).

However, anybody takes a shot at TOS or TWOK - I intend to stand up for them. Somebody has to.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 4:32 pm to


WTF?

I wasn't taking a shot at Wrath of Khan at all.

Maybe if you'd bring your head up out of TOS's lap to take a breath a little more often you'd have enough air going to your brain to get that.
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