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Voter ID laws
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:58 am
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:58 am
I really can not wrap my head around the problem with voter ID laws. One person = One vote. And you cannot tell me that the vast vast majority of Americans do not have an ID. You have to have an ID to be on government assistance right? I am not trying to prevent anyone from voting.
I do believe that the founders thought they had set up the system to make sure you had skin in the game. It has, and rightly so, been expanded to include everyone (15th & 19th amendments) BUT the landowner part, which to me represents a taxpayer, should still be in effect.
If you do not pay federal taxes you should not be able to vote in a federal election. I do believe that because of state and local sales taxes those individuals should still have the right to vote in local and state elections. They are paying those. And because of this the individual states should have the right to require an ID for these elections.
I know it has been mentioned that you could make state benefits cards double as an ID (why there is no ID requirement for this is baffling to me as well), although the issue would be if you have a caretaker that is going to the store on your behalf.
Anyway.... i am rambling.
I do believe that the founders thought they had set up the system to make sure you had skin in the game. It has, and rightly so, been expanded to include everyone (15th & 19th amendments) BUT the landowner part, which to me represents a taxpayer, should still be in effect.
If you do not pay federal taxes you should not be able to vote in a federal election. I do believe that because of state and local sales taxes those individuals should still have the right to vote in local and state elections. They are paying those. And because of this the individual states should have the right to require an ID for these elections.
I know it has been mentioned that you could make state benefits cards double as an ID (why there is no ID requirement for this is baffling to me as well), although the issue would be if you have a caretaker that is going to the store on your behalf.
Anyway.... i am rambling.
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:02 am to Mr.Perfect
Too much common sense for libtards to wrap their demented minds around. And, besides, VOR tells us that voter fraud NEVER happens.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:02 am to Mr.Perfect
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I really can not wrap my head around the problem with voter ID laws. One person = One vote.
That is precisely the problem. If you are attempting to cheat to win elections, voter ID makes it very hard to do.
That is quite literally the only argument against these laws, unless it is a monetary issue of not being able to afford an ID card. To my knowledge, most states employing these laws have also made it free and near effortless to get an ID card.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:05 am to Mr.Perfect
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I really can not wrap my head around the problem with voter ID laws. One person = One vote. And you cannot tell me that the vast vast majority of Americans do not have an ID.
There is one party in particular not interested in free and fair elections...
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:06 am to Mr.Perfect
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I really can not wrap my head around the problem with voter ID laws.
Words I would not expect to hear from someone named
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Mr.Perfect
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:06 am to Mr.Perfect
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If you do not pay federal taxes you should not be able to vote in a federal election.
I'm on your side but what is your interpretation of federal taxes? Look at your phone bill. We're paying a fed tax to support the financing of availability to the internet.
So are people that pay phone bills considered federal tax payers in your opinion? Not trying to stir the shitpot but where is the line drawn?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:09 am to Mr.Perfect
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I really can not wrap my head around the problem with voter ID laws
The purpose of voter ID laws - ACCORDING TO REPUBLICANS - is to suppress the Democrat vote.
You won't read any of it, but I'll post it for fun:
LINK
This has all been posted before. Now you will cover your ears as hard as you can and continue to proclaim as loudly as possible you have no clue what the problem is. Voluntary ignorance is bliss.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:11 am to SpidermanTUba
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The purpose of voter ID laws is to force voters to identify themselves
FIFY
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:11 am to SpidermanTUba
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You won't read any of it, but I'll post it for fun:
So, why do you think that blacks are too lazy, stupid and ignorant to be able to figure out how to EASILY get an I.D. card?
Was it that difficult for you?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:14 am to SpidermanTUba
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is to suppress the Democrat vote.
And the extended voting days by the left wasn't a ploy to get more democrats to vote? First time I can remember in over sixty years that deadlines were redrawn.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:16 am to Homesick Tiger
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So are people that pay phone bills considered federal tax payers in your opinion?
I don't think this money goes anywhere near the general budget. Pretty sure it is directed to the FCC. And do you think there are a lot of people paying a phone bill out of pocket that are not paying federal taxes. I would think that is ultra rare. where is that income coming from?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:17 am to SpidermanTUba
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The purpose of voter ID laws - ACCORDING TO REPUBLICANS - is to suppress the Democrat MASSIVE voteR FRAUD AND DEAD DEMOCRATS FROM VOTING.
FIFY!
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:18 am to SpidermanTUba
says it right near the top
looks like a fact to me.
how dare someone want to protect the validity of an election
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certainly do appear aimed at Democratic voters.
looks like a fact to me.
how dare someone want to protect the validity of an election
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:20 am to Mr.Perfect
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I don't think this money goes anywhere near the general budget.
I'm just saying that paying fed taxes, no matter where they end, is all the excuse that will be needed by those who claim to pay fed taxes would need for them to consider themselves as taxpayers to the fed.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:22 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:Translation:
The purpose of voter ID laws - ACCORDING TO REPUBLICANS - is to suppress the Democrat vote.
Republicans want Thousands of Democrats in NC to be limited to only one vote each, but it would likely reduce Democrat votes.
Republicans in Ohio would prefer voters be living at the time they cast their ballot, but it too would likely reduce Democrat votes.
That about cover these egregious GOP viewpoints.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:22 am to SpidermanTUba
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The purpose of voter ID laws - ACCORDING TO REPUBLICANS - is to suppress the Democrat vote.
It is to suppress illegal voting. Of course everyone knows which party employs illegal votes as part of their campaign strategy. So yes, we are interested in suppressing the illegal Democrat votes.
Whereas the Democrat party is a real stickler when it comes to allowing military votes to be counted. You know, those guys on the front lines who have to rely on government to get their ballots back to the states on time, and if the govt delays, then their votes are not counted - the DEMs are lined up to prevent THAT 'injustice' but they just LOVE 'motor voter' - even want election day registration and voting.
The DEM party is run by scum - pure scum.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:25 am to SpidermanTUba
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The purpose of voter ID laws - ACCORDING TO REPUBLICANS - is to suppress the Democrat vote.
Voter Id's help prevent fraud. If these laws suppress Democratic votes, then Democratic voters are fraudulent no?
If a voter ID is of no cost to the individual and easy to get, why is anyone opposed to it? It is a solid effort to eliminate fraudulent voting. The fact that the left is staunchly opposed to this, makes it blatantly obvious that they depend upon fraudulent voters to get elected no?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:26 am to Mr.Perfect
There is no such thing as Federal elections, only State elections to fill constituently authorized positions.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:27 am to Homesick Tiger
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I'm just saying that paying fed taxes, no matter where they end, is all the excuse that will be needed by those who claim to pay fed taxes would need for them to consider themselves as taxpayers to the fed.
i hear you. And I know that trying to "pick and choose" is not the way to go about it.
Not to change the topic but this is the beauty and flaw of a national tax instead of an income tax. The reason a national tax is bad however is that no matter what % you start with it will never be enough of a % in the eye of the govt.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:27 am to MMauler
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So, why do you think that blacks are too lazy, stupid and ignorant to be able to figure out how to EASILY get an I.D. card?
That's what this means for Tuba.
He thinks minorities are too dumb, lazy, ignorant and poor to go out and get a free ID. More soft racism and sexism from the left. God forbid that some organization such as the NAACP raise money or assist people of color to get the proper required ID necessary to vote. But, then again, it's just too easy and convenient for organizations like that to sit back, bitch about a problem they can solve and call racism to get more attention rather than actually try to "advance colored people". People like Tuba are the slaves of the the Sharpton/Jackson plantation and always will be.
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