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Federal Court Ruling On Snapper Season Could Result In No Rec Season
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:16 pm
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[quote]The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on March 27 ruled that the federal government violated the law by failing to properly manage the red snapper fishery in the Gulf of Mexico.
The decision affirms all commercial fishermen claims in a June 2013 lawsuit that federal regulators illegally allowed recreational fishermen to exceed their share of the Gulf of Mexico's combined red snapper quota in six of the past seven years without holding the sector accountable.
A group of 21 commercial fishermen from all Gulf Coast states filed the lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Commerce and its representatives from NOAA Fisheries, the National Marine Fisheries Service and the Coastal Conservation Association as a defendant intervenor.
The court ruled in their favor last week, just ahead of a meeting at which members of the Gulf of Mexico Fishery management Council were expected to vote on new red snapper allocations.
Dr. Bob Shipp, one of Alabama's three representatives on the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council and chairman of its Reef Fish Committee, said during red snapper meetings in Washington last week he heard rumblings and rumors that the red snapper quota could be set so low that the 2014 recreational season length, now set at 40 days, could be reduced to between six to 14 days.
"Some people are even saying there may not be a season at all," Shipp said early Monday morning as he prepared to attend the first day of the Gulf Council's April meeting in Baton Rouge. "If Florida goes non-compliant, they could catch the whole recreational quota in their state waters. We really won't know for sure what's going to happen until we hear what the National Marine Fisheries Service is going to do."
As a result of the court's decision, future management actions for red snapper - including any potential reallocation of quota to the recreational sector -- must be developed with adequate accountability measures consistent with the court's order.
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Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:18 pm to DeltaDoc
Wow. These commercial captains just made a lot of friends, i'll bet.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:20 pm to DeltaDoc
I'm sure the commercial fishermen's hands are clean. They've never, ever exceeded their limit.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:21 pm to DeltaDoc
Check your thread on the OB, the Feds are looking at ll days...
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:21 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Those bastards have been crowing for awhile....what needs to happen is a boycott of restaurants that support the commercials in this BS. Prior to this a bunch of local New Orleans chefs came out in favor of commercials having a greater catch share than recreational anglers which is pure BS. Why in the hell should they have more access to the resource than the public who pays to maintain it?
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:25 pm to DeltaDoc
Can I ask a silly question(s)......does the federal regulate the state waters? If not, does a red snapper caught in state waters look any different than one caught in federal waters?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:26 pm to TJG210
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Why in the hell should they have more access to the resource than the public who pays to maintain it?
And pays dearly. The recreational offshore fisherman have a huge economic impact. They have been underestimating the fish population by using faulty logic for years. Snapper are damn near overpopulated off the coast of LA yet the recreational anglers that spend billions every year get the shaft. frick those idiots
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:26 pm to dante
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does the federal regulate the state waters? If not, does a red snapper caught in state waters look any different than one caught in federal waters?
Problem is that the majority of the snapper are too far offshore
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:26 pm to TJG210
It is not really the fault of the commercial guys IMO. It is more of a divide and concur approach of the NOAA to pit the commercial guys against us recreational fisherman...and it has worked like a charm.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:26 pm to DeltaDoc
I will never understand the irrational thought of red snapper populations being endangered. I have never caught bigger snapper than I have the last few years.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:28 pm to dante
State waters was 3 miles in Louisiana, last year the state pushed it out to 12 miles (I think) The problem in Louisiana is snapper like deeper water and there is limited amounts of that even within 12 miles. On top of that the feds are fighting the shift and writing tickets...
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:29 pm to wickowick
It is hard to catch anything but a snapper when dropping a line near a offshore platform.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:32 pm to wickowick
quote:I see this as strictly a state vs fed issue. I seem to recall something about the feds retroactively changing the season last year in Alabama. I don't remember the details but a lot of captains were PO'd.
ate waters was 3 miles in Louisiana, last year the state pushed it out to 12 miles (I think) The problem in Louisiana is snapper like deeper water and there is limited amounts of that even within 12 miles. On top of that the feds are fighting the shift and writing tickets...
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:36 pm to DeltaDoc
So commercial fishermen who take thousands and thousands of snapper yearly claim that a recreational fisherman taking TWO snapper has hurt the population?
I personally will NEVER order a red snapper dish again in a restaurant. frick those guys! They are doing this shite to get subsidies, probably ON TOP of the hundreds of thousands they took in off of the BP fiasco.
I'm positive my choice won't effect them, but I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling this way.
I personally will NEVER order a red snapper dish again in a restaurant. frick those guys! They are doing this shite to get subsidies, probably ON TOP of the hundreds of thousands they took in off of the BP fiasco.
I'm positive my choice won't effect them, but I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling this way.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:42 pm to GeeOH
What this will do is make criminals out of otherwise law abiding citizens. People will be fileting them on the water and stuffing them hidden compartments all over boats (even more so than is happening already).
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:43 pm to DeltaDoc
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It is not really the fault of the commercial guys IMO. It is more of a divide and concur approach of the NOAA to pit the commercial guys against us recreational fisherman...and it has worked like a charm.
I can't imagine the commercial fishing (red snapper) being a larger industry than the recreational industry as a whole when you included people working for the boat manufacturers, fuel and bait shops, docks, guides, reel companies, outdoor gear stores and employees, etc.
Is there any kind of economic impact study done that shows what the impacts of restricting recreational fishing would have on all industries involved?....and one compared to if snapper wasn't on the menu of restaurants?
Sorry if confusing, the question is making sense in my head and I'm trying to type fast..
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:43 pm to DeltaDoc
Representative Bradley Byrne (AL-1) released the following statement regarding the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council Reef Fish Committee’s decision late yesterday to limit Red Snapper season to 11 days this summer.
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Byrne said: “The day the federal government places the well-being of fish over people, we know we have truly lost our way. An 11-day Red Snapper season will be devastating to our local fishermen and the communities dependent on this important industry for tourism and economic activity. This move highlights the fact that our regulatory system has become broken beyond repair, with the court finding underscoring the fact that the framework is falling apart at the seams.
“I have lost all faith in the federal government’s ability to carry out its regulatory responsibilities for Red Snapper in a fair and balanced way. It’s become clear that the federal government must be cut out of this process if we are to achieve any kind of workable solution. Using my position on the Natural Resources Committee, I am working with committee leadership and staff to find a solution that will return regulatory power back to state authorities that are able to incorporate common sense and on-the-ground experience into this process, since the federal government clearly cannot. I’ll keep fighting to ensure this gross mistake is not allowed to take root in the long term.”
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:44 pm to DeltaDoc
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It is not really the fault of the commercial guys IMO
How so when they're asking for 51% of the total catch?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:45 pm to mylsuhat
That is a strong and very accurate statement.
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