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***CHC Thread | PIT @ CHC | 7:05 CT***
Posted on 4/9/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 1:05 pm
Rodriguez (0-1 4.50) vs. Hammel (1-0, 1.35)
Junior Lake has a sad
The Cubs are playing hard, but not winning. I don't think many expect them to win. But I do expect them to improve. So far, and it's only 7 games, it looks like they're at least headed down the right track.
Starlin had a great night last night. Can it continue? It was good to see Rizzo hang in against a LHP and deliver an RBI single in a clutch AB. Starting pitching this year has been very solid.
Junior Lake has a sad
The Cubs are playing hard, but not winning. I don't think many expect them to win. But I do expect them to improve. So far, and it's only 7 games, it looks like they're at least headed down the right track.
Starlin had a great night last night. Can it continue? It was good to see Rizzo hang in against a LHP and deliver an RBI single in a clutch AB. Starting pitching this year has been very solid.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 1:06 pm
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Posted on 4/9/14 at 1:07 pm to The Sad Banana
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Starting pitching this year has been very solid.
With the exception of jackson last night. Still think he's better than the raw numbers (ERA) though.
While i also want to see kalish and sweeney so i don't agree with lake that he should play every day, the devotion to the platoon is interesting. RR said it wasn't a permenant thing but if you wnat to play every day...then hit more seemed to be the simple summary.
And yea...i got the warm fuzzies when rizzo delieverd that RBI off a leftie.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 1:11 pm to piggidyphish
quote:That's fine...but how will they hit more with inconsistent playing time?
RR said it wasn't a permenant thing but if you wnat to play every day...then hit more seemed to be the simple summary.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 1:13 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:
That's fine...but how will they hit more with inconsistent playing time?
I know it sounds trite...but make the most of your chances. I'd already turned it off and was only following on gamecast last ngiht but didn't Lake strike out to lead off the bottom of the 9th. Not saying that's an unacceptable outcome, but he gets a hit there he might ger rewarded with more game time.
It's an unenviable position. You want to try to win as many games because everyone hates losing, but you also want to play teh guys who may be parts of the team when the cubs aren't terrible.
I'd say play olt, platoon lake. but that's just me.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 1:15 pm to The Sad Banana
I want to see Lake more, I know I've said it before but it'd be nice to see what he can do this season when he plays 3-5 games in a row
quote:and what a beauty that was #RizzOnMe
And yea...i got the warm fuzzies when rizzo delieverd that RBI off a leftie.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 1:18 pm to piggidyphish
I think Olt has to play more. I even think they should play Lake more because he's so athletic. I feel like Lake and Bonerfacio need to be on the field.
I don't understand, though...where is the coaching? Where is the leadership? Why aren't these guys catching on not to swing at wild shite all the time?
ETA: I might have just gone total meatball on y'all.
I don't understand, though...where is the coaching? Where is the leadership? Why aren't these guys catching on not to swing at wild shite all the time?
ETA: I might have just gone total meatball on y'all.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 1:25 pm to The Sad Banana
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don't understand, though...where is the coaching? Where is the leadership? Why aren't these guys catching on not to swing at wild shite all the time?
Well now that's one of my biggest gripes with the whole plan. It's great to have young talent, i think we can all agree that we want that as to over the hill players, but surely there shoudl at least be one seasoned veteran to lead these kids. I mean you're asking rizzo and castro to be leaders adn they're so young. Now not stiring the was fonzie good was he not good, but everyone seemed to respect him and while he's not the exact clubhouse guy you'd love, he's better than having 24 year olds do it.
As for the managerial stuff. I don't think sveum was a good choice. I am hopeful for renteria and am willing to give him some time. But I'm with you, it's frustrating.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 1:59 pm to The Sad Banana
I fully agree, this team is terrible so let the kids show what they can do otherwise send them to the minors so they aren't picking up service time.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:31 pm to piggidyphish
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With the exception of jackson last night. Still think he's better than the raw numbers (ERA) though.
Jackson is too inconsistent. He isn't a #2 starter. He has decent stuff, but he gets rocked pretty often in a Cubs uniform. He lets innings get away from him real fast.
quote:
RR said it wasn't a permenant thing but if you wnat to play every day...then hit more seemed to be the simple summary.
Well it is in very limited at bats, but so far the only hitters with a higher average than Lake are Bonifacio, Castro and Rizzo. He is hitting .278 and that's after coming in cold in the 8th inning last night and striking out. I would like to see Lake on the field more often. He has much better tools than Ryan Sweeney does and it isn't even really close. The dude is fast and can bunt for a hit, steal a base, or hit a 400 foot bomb. And oh yeah, he has hovered right around .300 at the plate since his call up last year.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:31 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:
AJF
I think every time you have done a game thread this year, we have lost. Not good mojo going into tonight.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:34 pm to PurpleAndGold86
The LHP lineup:
CF Bonifacio
SS Castro
RF Ruggiano
1B Rizzo
3B Olt
LF Lake
C Castillo
2B Barney
P Hammel
CF Bonifacio
SS Castro
RF Ruggiano
1B Rizzo
3B Olt
LF Lake
C Castillo
2B Barney
P Hammel
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:35 pm to PurpleAndGold86
That's so AJF of me.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:51 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:
He has much better tools than Ryan Sweeney does and it isn't even really close
Until someone comes close to matching sweeney's pitches seen per plate apperance, the front office is going to demand sweeney get time becuause they love that shite.
Lake starts making more consistent contact you'll see more of him. They also want to see if they can recaputre what made kalish so highly thought of. Bunch of platoon grade outfielders platooning, can't really be surprised.
Ultimately I'm ok with platooning lake, he frustrates me.
quote:
Jackson is too inconsistent. He isn't a #2 starter
absolutely. Cubs staff is at minimum placing the front end guys 2 spots too high. Shark a 3 (with plenty of potentinal, possibly even reaching ace stuff), Jackson a 4-5. Sucks when you've got no front end pitchers.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:52 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:
I think every time you have done a game thread this year, we have lost. Not good mojo going into tonight
well to be fair...we lose a lot.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:02 pm to piggidyphish
quote:
Until someone comes close to matching sweeney's pitches seen per plate apperance, the front office is going to demand sweeney get time becuause they love that shite.
I agree with you saying the FO loves that. All I'm saying though is that I don't think there is any way Sweeney would put up the numbers that Lake would put up in a full season.
quote:
Bunch of platoon grade outfielders platooning, can't really be surprised.
That's where I am slightly surprised. I don't know that Lake is a platoon player. And neither does the front office. No one really knows what he is yet, which is why I would love to see him put those boner worthy tools on display (at least over Sweeney).
I like Kalish a lot as well.
quote:
absolutely. Cubs staff is at minimum placing the front end guys 2 spots too high. Shark a 3 (with plenty of potentinal, possibly even reaching ace stuff), Jackson a 4-5. Sucks when you've got no front end pitchers.
I agree. I think Shark might be a little bit better than a 3. Could probably be a solid 2, but I don't think he is the ace on most staffs. Has ace stuff for sure, but can't seem to put it all together for a whole season yet. Maybe this will be the year. But I think Wood is >>>>>> than Jackson. Even Hammel is better than Jackson.
Samardzija
Wood
Hammel
Jackson
Villanueva
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:08 pm to PurpleAndGold86
I really like Ryan Kalish. I saw a couple of his AB's this year and he seems to have a good idea of what to do at the plate. I see him as one of those 4th OF types that can stick around for a long time if he's healthy.
Lake...Lake was an infielder in the minors, right? Then he gets brought up to play OF. I know I've said this a lot, but he's so damn athletic. We have to have coaches that see that and can do something to use his powers for good instead of evil.
I think Lake needs to play. Bonerfacio NEEDS to play everyday. Olt needs the reps...he should get 70% of the starts until it's apparent he's overmatched. And if the team knew he was overmatched, why'd they keep him on the roster?
Lake...Lake was an infielder in the minors, right? Then he gets brought up to play OF. I know I've said this a lot, but he's so damn athletic. We have to have coaches that see that and can do something to use his powers for good instead of evil.
I think Lake needs to play. Bonerfacio NEEDS to play everyday. Olt needs the reps...he should get 70% of the starts until it's apparent he's overmatched. And if the team knew he was overmatched, why'd they keep him on the roster?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:10 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:
That's where I am slightly surprised. I don't know that Lake is a platoon player
I don't know what he is, going forward right now either, but right now with his splits I can agree with RR that platoons are best for him.
But as much as I want to see if the toolsy guy in lake can put it together and be a daily piece of a better team (i don't think there is any argument that on this dumpsterfire any of the OF could be a daily player) I also would like to see what Kalish can do...and ultimatley win some games. Which is why i put earlier that it's an unenviable position, try to play guys to find out what they can do, but not also be so terrible the astros mock us.
There is also an arugment to be made that by not playing Lake against tougher matchups the club is protecting him from slumping thus stunting his growth.
quote:
But I think Wood is >>>>>> than Jackson
absolutley.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:11 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:
Lake...Lake was an infielder in the minors, right? Then he gets brought up to play OF. I know I've said this a lot, but he's so damn athletic. We have to have coaches that see that and can do something to use his powers for good instead of evil.
Yep, he was an IF in the minors. I couldn't agree with what you said more.
quote:
And if the team knew he was overmatched, why'd they keep him on the roster?
I'm blown away by this as well. He could at least be raking in AAA getting 4-5 ABs every night. Valbuena is NOT the future of the franchise. I like Valbuena and he puts together quality AB after quality AB, but he ain't the future.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:13 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:
Lake...Lake was an infielder in the minors, right
yea. but wasn't going to stick.
quote:
know I've said this a lot, but he's so damn athletic
Which is why he was infurriating for scouts to watch and project as bench guy, or super star. Seems like when he was entering AAA the pundits were split between those two outcomes. But often times i bastardize things i think i remember.
quote:
I think Lake needs to play
Like in every game...becuase he has. I'm kidding, just read that on BN and it shocked me, that he actually has played in every game.
quote:
Olt needs the reps...he should get 70% of the starts until it's apparent he's overmatched
I think Olt needs to play more only becuase there is someone knocking on the door for his position. Sink or swim buddy.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 4:15 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:Valbuena is a valuable player. But he shouldn't be blocking Olt. And the reasoning he gets AB's is his experience and his lefthandedness. I kind of don't understand how they expect someone to grow if they don't get the consistent experience in the lineup.
I like Valbuena and he puts together quality AB after quality AB, but he ain't the future.
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